Serena is a bully and a crybaby

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serena seems to have put herself under a very high amount of pressure to come back and win. She knows her capabilities and she is 'underachieving' and not managing that well. Serena used to be better at staying in control of her emotions but it seems at this point, she is struggling. Likely being a mother, almost dying, trying ot get back to the top. It seems like it is all almost more than she can handle right now.

At the same time, she has dealt with more discrimination over the years than anyone else. She and Venus have faced sexism and racism and other insults (she is a man, she is on drugs, degrading her body type) continuously and at some point as you get older, you just stop taking BS.

I wish she had been able to stay in control and handle it differently. But I understand the emotional behind her actions. I think she needs some time off to figure out what she wants. She put so much pressure on herself to come back quickly and to win again and she needs to find a way to be okay with that not happening. I think she wants to go out and end her career on top. Getting there though may be more than she can handle.

Except none of this was BS. And I don't get the whole victimhood argument......everyone loves Serena. Osaka played an away match yesterday in front of a wildly partisan, pro-Serena crowd and somehow she managed to keep her s*** together. Stop making excuses for Serena's poor behavior.

No, everyone doesn't love Serena. Osaka played great and deserved the win and handled it well. Serena did not. People act in certain ways for a reason, behavior doesn't exist in a vacuum. You may feel all the calls where fair and that she was well treated in the match. She didn't and didn't handle it well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

NP here, why don't you acknowledge that the same behavior for men does not result in penalty? Why doesn't this bother you? I'm not a tennis fan, but even I can see that. to me, though, in an ideal world, is to make sure men do get penalized for behaviors above. We can and should expect more from athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man here. Interesting how some of you don’t care at all how women are treated differently than men in tennis. I guess that’s why women will never get the respect that men do.
Carry on with your petty comments about Serena and stop complaining about double standards in your own lives.

Amen. But women have always torn other women to shreds while making excuses for men who for do the same crap and worst. Women, unfortunately always show their true nature towards other women - catty and biatchy. It’s the nature.

The reaction is so odd, though, plenty of posters have pointed out the double standard - interesting how many women are still holding Serena to a standard men are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

Thread over. This and the guy posting on here laughing at women going after each other and attacking Serena.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ramos is a thief and worse. I hope his career is done.

Ditto.

[Anonymous]

Japan has been charmed by Osaka’s off-court humility and genuineness as much as her on-court ferocity and that unpretentiousness came through in her post-match comments.

Maybe it is time for US to goes back to teaching some humility to their kids and even adults? Japan seems to have the right praise for a nation that just had a deadly earthquake, and Serena and US is yet again stuck in perceived unfairness? Serena was losing that match as it was. What a crappy thing to do to the deserved winner and the first time ever grand slam winner for Japan. US is truly a press shambles nation, first creating the White House of today by choosing to report only scandal, drama and today again, not saying a word about how Osaka truly deserved to win. I find the press appalling. Let's not forget how Andy Roddick actually started the feud with Djokovic, also when he was losing to him. Calling him a hypochondriac and then provoking Djokovic to alienate the crowd, which even a saint might have done. And press supporting bad behavior and relishing in reporting both players bad behavior. When did US press start being all about scandal and crap? That to me is a worse shame than these petulant tennis players being nasty, and they are nasty. What happened to reporting things as it happened? Watch it online, you will see just how wrong Serena was. And to be sure, yes, players get coached, the only question here is how many times did Ramos(umpire) see it happen in that match before finally giving her a violation? Which was not a point penalty, the rest was a penalty. He also never called her a cheater, said she was coached. Watch the darn thing before posting, coach was showing her to move her opponent around the court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

He enforces the rules in a discriminatory manner. He doesn’t enforce those same rules against the men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

He enforces the rules in a discriminatory manner. He doesn’t enforce those same rules against the men.

What possible evidence do you have of this? By all accounts he's well respected and has worked a number of major finales. Ratchet down your inane hysteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know, sometimes an issue isn’t men vs. women or black vs. white. It’s about a person’s behavior during a tough moment. That’s what this is about. Serena’s behavior during a tough situation. She didn’t handle it well. And, she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a mom, or a black woman or a super athlete.

She didn't "handle it well" because she was being treated unfairly. How would any of us react in the same situation, playing a championship game and having, first, one point, and then, an entire game handed to our opponent? If there is any point in life where a person needs to stand up for herself, this is it. If we don't stand up for ourselves during a tough moment, when will we?

Stop trying to make sense to these posters. You know most of them would never stand up for themselves. That’s why women are always the perpetual losers. They rarely fight back. They need a me too moment and require someone else to step forward first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She deserved to lose today but behaved like an entitled douche. I used to love her but no more.

Then you clearly didn’t really love Serena to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

NP here, why don't you acknowledge that the same behavior for men does not result in penalty? Why doesn't this bother you? I'm not a tennis fan, but even I can see that. to me, though, in an ideal world, is to make sure men do get penalized for behaviors above. We can and should expect more from athletes.

Coaching caused her a warning, that is it. The rest caused her a penalty. Warning does not deduct points. Should he wait until she tells him that she will stick a raquet up his ***. Like she did to a lines-woman a few years ago? Did you watch the incident happen? If you did, you would change your tune. And umpires issue coaching warnings to men too, and often after seeing it happen over and over again, which is certainly the case with Serena, and only act after it has happened to many times. If he did nothing, he would be robbing Osaka.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

He enforces the rules in a discriminatory manner. He doesn’t enforce those same rules against the men.

but women don't play against men! she cannot be discriminated against men because they play a different game entirely. now if she was punished for what other women were not punished for it would be a different thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/serena-williams-has-another-u-s-open-meltdown-clashes-with-chair-umpire

From a man’s perspective. See WaPo for a woman’s.

Chris Evert said immediately and later again in the broadcast that the chair ump was out of line.

This is a female/black thing more than people are able to admit.

and this thread proves it. Pro tennis players (current and former) and broadcasters all saying things are not the same for Serena as they are for everyone else playing the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man here. Interesting how some of you don’t care at all how women are treated differently than men in tennis. I guess that’s why women will never get the respect that men do.
Carry on with your petty comments about Serena and stop complaining about double standards in your own lives.

Amen. But women have always torn other women to shreds while making excuses for men who for do the same crap and worst. Women, unfortunately always show their true nature towards other women - catty and biatchy. It’s the nature.

The reaction is so odd, though, plenty of posters have pointed out the double standard - interesting how many women are still holding Serena to a standard men are not.

I have been watching tennis for decades. Men are given violations, and then they stop. Nadal had a nasty spat in 2010, I mean just nasty. If you watched US Open you would have seen that Nadal sped up his serving routine as the shot clock was enforced. Serena is out of hand nasty and entitled on the court. Shameful behavior robbing the deserving winner of her time in the light. I am a woman and I always stand up for myself, always. But, come on, he didn't tall her a thief. Did you even watch it?