Let’s Talk APS High Schools: 4th one or no?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

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Anonymous wrote:If we don’t do this all three high schools better get ready for 3000 kids and trailers. All the N Arlington elementary boosters are complaining they the need seats... well guess what those elementary kids will be in HS at WL AND Yorktown in ten plus years!

Not all of them will be 3000 and trailers, Yorktown can’t take any trailers. So it’ll be roughly 2000 at Yorktown and 3,500 at W-L and Wakefield with a couple dozen trailers each. At least W-L can put its trailers where they’re accessible to the main building, Wakefield will basically have to create an upper school and an lower school, with one of them in a trailer village across the campus past all the fields.

Yorktown can’t cap enrollment. That’s not how it works.
Sorry, but they have to take the students in their boundaries. Which will rise as the other schools become too crowded. No one gets off the hook.

And when they realize they are coming to a point where they literally cannot put all of the Yorktown students in seats, they will do a boundary re-drawing looking at trailer capacity for each school. Max seats for Yorktown post-expansion will be around 2,100; W-L is 2,964; Wakefield is 3,079. Where do you think they're going to shift planning units?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

Or tennis courts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

Or tennis courts?

Go ahead and look at the Facilities Optimization study. I'm not speculating here, this is the official APS word on Yorktown. And when you look at the sizes of the parcels, it shouldn't be surprising. Yorktown has 12.3 acres, W-L has 22.6 acres and Wakefield has 37.5 acres. Which of those parcels is likely to hold the most trailers?

[Anonymous]

I think at least half the reason people are surprised by SB decisions that don't make sense to them is because they're more focused on what they want the facts to be than on what the facts are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

Or tennis courts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we don’t do this all three high schools better get ready for 3000 kids and trailers. All the N Arlington elementary boosters are complaining they the need seats... well guess what those elementary kids will be in HS at WL AND Yorktown in ten plus years!

Not all of them will be 3000 and trailers, Yorktown can’t take any trailers. So it’ll be roughly 2000 at Yorktown and 3,500 at W-L and Wakefield with a couple dozen trailers each. At least W-L can put its trailers where they’re accessible to the main building, Wakefield will basically have to create an upper school and an lower school, with one of them in a trailer village across the campus past all the fields.

Yorktown can’t cap enrollment. That’s not how it works.
Sorry, but they have to take the students in their boundaries. Which will rise as the other schools become too crowded. No one gets off the hook.

And when they realize they are coming to a point where they literally cannot put all of the Yorktown students in seats, they will do a boundary re-drawing looking at trailer capacity for each school. Max seats for Yorktown post-expansion will be around 2,100; W-L is 2,964; Wakefield is 3,079. Where do you think they're going to shift planning units?

= one Langley and two TC Williams.

Well done, “progressive” clowns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we don’t do this all three high schools better get ready for 3000 kids and trailers. All the N Arlington elementary boosters are complaining they the need seats... well guess what those elementary kids will be in HS at WL AND Yorktown in ten plus years!

Not all of them will be 3000 and trailers, Yorktown can’t take any trailers. So it’ll be roughly 2000 at Yorktown and 3,500 at W-L and Wakefield with a couple dozen trailers each. At least W-L can put its trailers where they’re accessible to the main building, Wakefield will basically have to create an upper school and an lower school, with one of them in a trailer village across the campus past all the fields.

Yorktown can’t cap enrollment. That’s not how it works.
Sorry, but they have to take the students in their boundaries. Which will rise as the other schools become too crowded. No one gets off the hook.

And when they realize they are coming to a point where they literally cannot put all of the Yorktown students in seats, they will do a boundary re-drawing looking at trailer capacity for each school. Max seats for Yorktown post-expansion will be around 2,100; W-L is 2,964; Wakefield is 3,079. Where do you think they're going to shift planning units?

= one Langley and two TC Williams.

Well done, “progressive” clowns.

It doesn't have to be that way. But for it to be different, the people with the most to lose have to stop expecting something they've already been told can't happen and instead focus on what the best solution real-world solution. I can absolutely see it happening that families outside the Yorktown zone will fight a fourth comprehensive high school on the grounds that APS could balance enrollment across all three high schools if they just create a tent community on the sidwalks around Yorktown, and then will find themselves shocked and screaming racism/elitism when the SB gives up fighting them, doesn't create a fourth high school, and instead uses utility relocatables to create a cafeteria and gymnasium on the western side of the Wakefield parcel to go with 30 relocatable classrooms, effectively creating a second school on the site. If that's not what people want, then you need to focus on getting a fourth high school rather than talking about whether the parking lots around Yorktown could be terraformed to create an acceptable grade for trailers (because that's a big part of the problem with the idea of putting trailers on the parking lot, Yorktown is on a hillside and the grade makes much of the site unusable for trailers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There's a courtyard right in the middle that would make the trailers very convenient to the rest of the building. It will be just like it's part of the building!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

Or tennis courts?

Go ahead and look at the Facilities Optimization study. I'm not speculating here, this is the official APS word on Yorktown. And when you look at the sizes of the parcels, it shouldn't be surprising. Yorktown has 12.3 acres, W-L has 22.6 acres and Wakefield has 37.5 acres. Which of those parcels is likely to hold the most trailers?

I didn't see the maps for the HS, only the ES ones. If this is the case, yes, they could shift W-L units to Wakefield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we don’t do this all three high schools better get ready for 3000 kids and trailers. All the N Arlington elementary boosters are complaining they the need seats... well guess what those elementary kids will be in HS at WL AND Yorktown in ten plus years!

Not all of them will be 3000 and trailers, Yorktown can’t take any trailers. So it’ll be roughly 2000 at Yorktown and 3,500 at W-L and Wakefield with a couple dozen trailers each. At least W-L can put its trailers where they’re accessible to the main building, Wakefield will basically have to create an upper school and an lower school, with one of them in a trailer village across the campus past all the fields.

Yorktown can’t cap enrollment. That’s not how it works.
Sorry, but they have to take the students in their boundaries. Which will rise as the other schools become too crowded. No one gets off the hook.

And when they realize they are coming to a point where they literally cannot put all of the Yorktown students in seats, they will do a boundary re-drawing looking at trailer capacity for each school. Max seats for Yorktown post-expansion will be around 2,100; W-L is 2,964; Wakefield is 3,079. Where do you think they're going to shift planning units?

= one Langley and two TC Williams.

Well done, “progressive” clowns.

It doesn't have to be that way. But for it to be different, the people with the most to lose have to stop expecting something they've already been told can't happen and instead focus on what the best solution real-world solution. I can absolutely see it happening that families outside the Yorktown zone will fight a fourth comprehensive high school on the grounds that APS could balance enrollment across all three high schools if they just create a tent community on the sidwalks around Yorktown, and then will find themselves shocked and screaming racism/elitism when the SB gives up fighting them, doesn't create a fourth high school, and instead uses utility relocatables to create a cafeteria and gymnasium on the western side of the Wakefield parcel to go with 30 relocatable classrooms, effectively creating a second school on the site. If that's not what people want, then you need to focus on getting a fourth high school rather than talking about whether the parking lots around Yorktown could be terraformed to create an acceptable grade for trailers (because that's a big part of the problem with the idea of putting trailers on the parking lot, Yorktown is on a hillside and the grade makes much of the site unusable for trailers).

Yes, W-L, be careful what you wish for. You SHOULD be supportive of a full 4th neighborhood high school at the CC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't Yorktown take any trailers? APS's one form of creative problem-solving is squeezing in trailers where you wouldn't think they'd fit

There is literally no surface space on the Yorktown property where they could fit trailers, go look at the site map. They have the building, the parking lot, and a tennis court. All of their other outdoor space is part of Greenbrier Park and YHS leases it from the county. The county is not going to let them park a bunch of trailers on one of their baseball diamonds.

And APS would never put trailers on parking lots, huh?

Or tennis courts?

Go ahead and look at the Facilities Optimization study. I'm not speculating here, this is the official APS word on Yorktown. And when you look at the sizes of the parcels, it shouldn't be surprising. Yorktown has 12.3 acres, W-L has 22.6 acres and Wakefield has 37.5 acres. Which of those parcels is likely to hold the most trailers?

I didn't see the maps for the HS, only the ES ones. If this is the case, yes, they could shift W-L units to Wakefield.

Then go back and look at the study. It has maps for elementary, middle and high schools.

[Anonymous]

Go ahead and look at the Facilities Optimization study. I'm not speculating here, this is the official APS word on Yorktown. And when you look at the sizes of the parcels, it shouldn't be surprising. Yorktown has 12.3 acres, W-L has 22.6 acres and Wakefield has 37.5 acres. Which of those parcels is likely to hold the most trailers?

I didn't see the maps for the HS, only the ES ones. If this is the case, yes, they could shift W-L units to Wakefield.

Then go back and look at the study. It has maps for elementary, middle and high schools.

The facilities study also proposes no trailers for Kenmore, so whatever the ideals are based on doesn't include the property's actual attributes

[Anonymous]

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Go ahead and look at the Facilities Optimization study. I'm not speculating here, this is the official APS word on Yorktown. And when you look at the sizes of the parcels, it shouldn't be surprising. Yorktown has 12.3 acres, W-L has 22.6 acres and Wakefield has 37.5 acres. Which of those parcels is likely to hold the most trailers?

I didn't see the maps for the HS, only the ES ones. If this is the case, yes, they could shift W-L units to Wakefield.

Then go back and look at the study. It has maps for elementary, middle and high schools.

The facilities study also proposes no trailers for Kenmore, so whatever the ideals are based on doesn't include the property's actual attributes

I have no idea what you are talking about, the study says Kenmore can take up to 48 trailers with the preferred number being up to 12.