MOCO paying illegals layers with our taxes

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Anonymous wrote:https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2018/05/montgomery-co-residents-divided-over-providing-legal-aid-to-immigrants/slide/1/

From the hearing last night.

One old racist woman doesn't speak for a whole county.

It wasn't only one woman... and someone is racist because she doesn't want to pay legal fees for someone who clearly has broken the law?

Nobody has broken a criminal law.

The next time you fly or drive into the United States try running past the customs agent without stopping and see if you are charged with a crime or if they just give you a ticket. Come back and let us know how it worked out...

EXACTLY. People try to act like its not big deal because illegal immigration is initially classified as a civil offense, but that (purposely) ignores our entire reason behind our visa entry system, security checks, etc. when visiting or immigrating to the country legally. In the same way they are trying to obscure the line between legal and illegal immigration, it is done purposely to confuse facts and gain sympathy from the audience.

Yes. Even the moderator referred to these people as "immigrants peacefully crossing the border," omitting the inconvenient fact that they are violating U.S. law and are technically illegal aliens. If fact, some analysts have said they they are not actually "immigrants" in the true sense of the word, since immigration implies that one followed the country's established process.

Also, as far as it being only a "civil offense," illegal entry is still punishable by up to 6 months in jail.

What does "peacefully crossing the border" mean anyway? Just walking across with no visible weapons and not assaulting anyone as you cross? That doesnt mean they wont commit crimes after arriving here.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. I don't see the Constitution giving criminal illegal immigrants the right to representation. That's a right given to citizens.

How do you know they are illegal if they aren't given a fair hearing?

BTW, here is the 6th amendment to the US constitution

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

It says the accused. Nowhere does it mention citizenship. If there is any rationale for denying this right in an immigration proceeding, it is the argument that such proceeding is NOT a criminal prosecution, but a civil matter.

But that would seem to contradict the idea that all illegal immigrants are ipso facto criminals.

This is a federal question, immigration proceedings are federal proceedings, and you just quoted the US Constitution, not the Maryland Constitution. Whether detainees have a right to representation in a federal immigration proceeding is irrelevant - if they do, then it is the US government's responsibility to pick up the tab. But nowhere is there a constitutional right to have an attorney in a federal proceeding provided by and paid for with county funds. That's ridiculous.

As one of those high income Montgomery County taxpayers - I can't move right now. But there's a pretty good chance once my kids finish school we're out. And that isn't so far away.

I am quite sure SCOTUS reads the 6th amendment as applying to the states, based on the 14th amendment.

Yes. And? This is not a situation where a state has been ordered to provide representation. This is a county (not a state) voluntarily providing representation to detainees facing deportation. Not because they have to, because they want to.

Meanwhile, my neighbor had to leave her home because of the increased taxes, and Col Lee MS in Silver Spring has a leaky roof and no sprinkler system.

Why would they need a sprinkler system if the roof leaks?!

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didn't an undocumented immigrant just get arrested for killing to offices on the highway? MoCo had refused to hold him even though Ice requested it last year.

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Anonymous wrote:didn't an undocumented immigrant just get arrested for killing to offices on the highway? MoCo had refused to hold him even though Ice requested it last year.

Yes. Here is the Post article on it:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ice-agents-arrest-driver-in-crash-that-killed-two-law-enforcement-officers-in-maryland/2018/05/04/75b99a9e-4fa4-11e8-b725-92c89fe3ca4c_story.html?utm_term=.1e13b56a808a

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Anonymous wrote:didn't an undocumented immigrant just get arrested for killing to offices on the highway? MoCo had refused to hold him even though Ice requested it last year.

Yes. Here is the Post article on it:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ice-agents-arrest-driver-in-crash-that-killed-two-law-enforcement-officers-in-maryland/2018/05/04/75b99a9e-4fa4-11e8-b725-92c89fe3ca4c_story.html?utm_term=.1e13b56a808a

We are more lenient with illegal aliens who kill people than we are with our own citizens.

So now the criminal alien is walking free on the streets? Is that it?

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So MoCo is using tax money to pay for illegals' lawyers but has to cut the county fire-fighting budget? Another example of liberals prioritizing ilegal aliens over law-abiding citizens.

http://wjla.com/news/local/county-executive-proposes-near-2-percent-cut-to-services-in-montgomery-co-fire-budget

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Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat but I am strongly against my tax dollars spent on this.

Sorry, you mean you were [i]a Democrat.

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Keep in mind there was an accident last year where an illegal killed an FBI agent and a fireman. Moco refused to honor a detainee on him so he was free to kill two people and he only got a ticket for killing them

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind there was an accident last year where an illegal killed an FBI agent and a fireman. Moco refused to honor a detainee on him so he was free to kill two people and he only got a ticket for killing them

But he deserves to be here, right?

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Anonymous wrote:MOCO socialist council members trying to pay for lawyers to help criminal illegal immigrants to stay in the country with our taxes.
Now is time to vote in the next election to remove this leftist from power.
The DEM will be remember to be the party that supports and defens Ilegals, Criminals and prostitutes..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/montgomery-council-to-vote-on-funding-lawyers-for-immigrants-facing-deportation/2018/04/16/b635b8c0-417e-11e8-ad8f-27a8c409298b_story.html?utm_term=.8e0265e43654

Omg. I'm Sooooo shocked. Asshole you've voted from r this for years. I hate you.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a democrat but I am strongly against my tax dollars spent on this.

Sorry, you mean you were [i]a Democrat.

If I'm not a Democrat, the former president Obama is also not a Democrat.

He deported lots of undocumented immigrants who committed crimes.

According to the Washington Post, about 1/4 of the immigrants detained in MoCo are either veterans or don't have a documented criminal past. The other 3/4 have serious records.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/montgomery-council-adds-legal-aid-for-immigrant-defense-to-proposed-budget/2018/05/22/89c87fee-5dde-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html

"The legal aid for low-income immigrants was initially supposed to come in the form of a grant to the Capital Area Immigrants’ Rights Coalition (CAIR) and be available to detained immigrants with few financial resources. But CAIR said it would decline the grant after the council attached a lengthy list of criminal convictions that would disqualify many applicants."

I applaud Navarro and the council for not authoring money to defend the 3/4 who already have criminal records.

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Well they all approved it but the left is now complaining that 75% of these illegal aliens won’t be able to get their free lawyer because (shocker) they have a criminal record.

That doesn’t surprise me.


Ironically, isn’t it breaking a federal law to come into a country illegally anyway?

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vote the current councilmembers out!!!

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This little bit of info is eye opening...


But after the council added 40 more crimes — ranging from carjacking and felony assault on a law enforcement officer to fraud and obstruction of justice, with some exceptions, such as for U.S. military veterans — CAIR announced that it would refuse to accept the grant.

Originally, CAIR estimated it would have been able to represent 85 to 90 immigrants in detention facing deportation. Claudia Cubas, the group’s litigation director, said that under the amended rules, CAIR would have been able to help about a quarter of that number. “We opposed it on both a moral, ethical and legal standard because it really cuts and blanket excludes people from relief,” Cubas said of the amended proposal.


So now they are upset that over 3/4 of these "wonderful" illegal aliens aren't going to receive help because they have criminal records. How about being upset that over 3/4 HAVE criminal records and that only less than 1/4 do not. I mean what the heck? My taxes are going to keep illegal criminals in this country. Whoa!!!

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But after the council added 40 more crimes — ranging from carjacking and felony assault on a law enforcement officer to fraud and obstruction of justice, with some exceptions, such as for U.S. military veterans — CAIR announced that it would refuse to accept the grant.

Originally, CAIR estimated it would have been able to represent 85 to 90 immigrants in detention facing deportation. Claudia Cubas, the group’s litigation director, said that under the amended rules, CAIR would have been able to help about a quarter of that number. “We opposed it on both a moral, ethical and legal standard because it really cuts and blanket excludes people from relief,” Cubas said of the amended proposal.


So now they are upset that over 3/4 of these "wonderful" illegal aliens aren't going to receive help because they have criminal records. How about being upset that over 3/4 HAVE criminal records and that only less than 1/4 do not. I mean what the heck? My taxes are going to keep illegal criminals in this country. Whoa!!!

Unbelievable. No on is stopping CAIR from representing criminal aliens for free. This is a money grab and the people entertaining this nonsense are crazy.