Two paths to magnet program at Richard Montgomery High School

[Anonymous]

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The website still fails to mention that all Diploma candidates get a letter for college applications which identifies them as "magnet" student and they take share all class/resources that the four year magnet students do.

In recent meetings RM admin has confirmed there is no test, no application or teacher recommendation. You tell me, what you think.

In any case, why should the RM 10th grade non-magnet students not be evaluated through the same process that everyone else (in 8th grade) is to enter the magnet program? Why should non-RM cluster student not be offered the second chance to the magnet program?

I guess that bugs you?

Yes willful misrepresentation of facts, to hide what is actually going on, bothers me. Weasel CYA statement like this builds distrust. If anyone's action is based on principle and conviction, they do not purposefully hide information.

[Anonymous]

I attended an IB high school that was not a magnet, and anyone could enroll in the IB courses assuming they met the criteria for the equivalent AP class.

Of the entire class of 450, exactly 8 of us did the full diploma.

All of that is to say that I think these claims of "unqualified" students being allowed in are overblown at best, and racist/classist nonsense at worst.

The kids you don't want in the IB classes? They largely aren't going to sign up for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I attended an IB high school that was not a magnet, and anyone could enroll in the IB courses assuming they met the criteria for the equivalent AP class.

Of the entire class of 450, exactly 8 of us did the full diploma.

All of that is to say that I think these claims of "unqualified" students being allowed in are overblown at best, and racist/classist nonsense at worst.

The kids you don't want in the IB classes? They largely aren't going to sign up for them.

Not all IB schools and their student bodies are same. RM is not just a IB school, it is a magnet IB school. How hard is this for you to understand, the magnet student are invited all across the county to join a program designed for academically highly gifted (not just who can do well in IBDP or AP)? Students who could have gone to one of the other 7/8 IB schools but would not find their intellectual peers to are recruited to this program. Letting RM-kids join the same magnet IB program without going through the same selection process is a back-door. Highly Gifted children (like other special need children) have special academic need and their education opportunity should not be compromised

It is like forming very successful Varsity team by excruciating selection and then let the coach's son into the team since he was there watching all the games.

What is racist and classist in this? Academic preparedness and intellectual curiosity is not limited to a class or race. RM cluster is neither full of URM or poor, in case you do not know.

[Anonymous]

Interestingly, the MCPS materials about RM's program do not use the words "highly gifted" or "gifted" at all. It says the program is rigorous, but they use the same language for Wheaton's Engineering program. They say it is competitive, but again, that's true of any of the test-in magnet programs.

This idea that RM's program is a walled-off garden full of highly gifted violets that might shrivel if a regular kid gets near them is just unsupported nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I attended an IB high school that was not a magnet, and anyone could enroll in the IB courses assuming they met the criteria for the equivalent AP class.

Of the entire class of 450, exactly 8 of us did the full diploma.

All of that is to say that I think these claims of "unqualified" students being allowed in are overblown at best, and racist/classist nonsense at worst.

The kids you don't want in the IB classes? They largely aren't going to sign up for them.

Not all IB schools and their student bodies are same. RM is not just a IB school, it is a magnet IB school. How hard is this for you to understand, the magnet student are invited all across the county to join a program designed for academically highly gifted (not just who can do well in IBDP or AP)? Students who could have gone to one of the other 7/8 IB schools but would not find their intellectual peers to are recruited to this program. Letting RM-kids join the same magnet IB program without going through the same selection process is a back-door. Highly Gifted children (like other special need children) have special academic need and their education opportunity should not be compromised

It is like forming very successful Varsity team by excruciating selection and then let the coach's son into the team since he was there watching all the games.

What is racist and classist in this? Academic preparedness and intellectual curiosity is not limited to a class or race. RM cluster is neither full of URM or poor, in case you do not know.

DP.. I'd like to see how many students from these other 7 schools go to RMIB. Does anyone have the stats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly, the MCPS materials about RM's program do not use the words "highly gifted" or "gifted" at all. It says the program is rigorous, but they use the same language for Wheaton's Engineering program. They say it is competitive, but again, that's true of any of the test-in magnet programs.

This idea that RM's program is a walled-off garden full of highly gifted violets that might shrivel if a regular kid gets near them is just unsupported nonsense.

Interestingly, you are correct. MCPS is trying to hide the support for highly gifted for a while to not offend people like you who feel threatened that there are kids who are advanced learners and academically much more advanced.

If you do not know the history of all the magnet program, please educate yourself. If you want to understand the need for Highly gifted student here is a place to start: https://www.nagc.org/

Otherwise if you have no intellectual curiosity, please take your caustic sniping somewhere else.

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We always second guess our decision and sometime information comes to justify our decisions. I am sure if you knew a few things discussed in this thread, the conversations you had when your DD decided would have been different. I am also sure the students who appealed for rejections, these information would have helped.

Magnet program is not be-all and end-all. However, if the purpose of the magnet programs are lost in social engineering effort then the "magnet" name is not sufficient for many students to leave their home school. If MCPS does not not reverse its course in couple of years, it may risk losing its academically superior status in the process.

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain the specific harms that come from including comprehensive kids in IB classes with application kids. Do the classes cover less material? Are there not enough desks in the room? Do the comprehensive kids hurt the application kids' feelings?

If you are an adult, please discuss like one.

Answer the question, please. What are the specific harms that come from including comprehensive kids in IB classes with application kids? "It damages the cohort" is not a specific harm.

Read the previous 9 pages, and I am pretty sure that you have skill to comprehend the answer.

I've read them all, to my sorrow. Answer the question, please.

is this a real question? you don't know what happens when you mix high performing kids with low performing kids? what a total idiot.

- np

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

[Anonymous]

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Not all IB schools and their student bodies are same. RM is not just a IB school, it is a magnet IB school. How hard is this for you to understand, the magnet student are invited all across the county to join a program designed for academically highly gifted (not just who can do well in IBDP or AP)? Students who could have gone to one of the other 7/8 IB schools but would not find their intellectual peers to are recruited to this program. Letting RM-kids join the same magnet IB program without going through the same selection process is a back-door. Highly Gifted children (like other special need children) have special academic need and their education opportunity should not be compromised

It is like forming very successful Varsity team by excruciating selection and then let the coach's son into the team since he was there watching all the games.

What is racist and classist in this? Academic preparedness and intellectual curiosity is not limited to a class or race. RM cluster is neither full of URM or poor, in case you do not know.

Recruited? How?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not all IB schools and their student bodies are same. RM is not just a IB school, it is a magnet IB school. How hard is this for you to understand, the magnet student are invited all across the county to join a program designed for academically highly gifted (not just who can do well in IBDP or AP)? Students who could have gone to one of the other 7/8 IB schools but would not find their intellectual peers to are recruited to this program. Letting RM-kids join the same magnet IB program without going through the same selection process is a back-door. Highly Gifted children (like other special need children) have special academic need and their education opportunity should not be compromised

It is like forming very successful Varsity team by excruciating selection and then let the coach's son into the team since he was there watching all the games.

What is racist and classist in this? Academic preparedness and intellectual curiosity is not limited to a class or race. RM cluster is neither full of URM or poor, in case you do not know.

Which other IB school allows OOB students? I assume most RMIB kids do not have the IB option at their home school.

[Anonymous]

Just enjoying being a RM non-magnet parent whose child is having a great year. Without DCUM I would be completely oblivious to this angst going on in our school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just enjoying being a RM non-magnet parent whose child is having a great year. Without DCUM I would be completely oblivious to this angst going on in our school.

Me, too. Hi neighbor!

[Anonymous]

Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

[Anonymous]

The avg SAT for all the non-magnet kids tell you nothing about the ones that choose to join IB in 11th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

How do you know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Why do you assume that the comprehensive kids in the IB classes are low-performing?

The average SAT score difference between IB kids and non IB kids is probably more than 700 pts. I think it's a fair thing to say. And before you ask for proof, you know as well as I do the MCPS doesn't publish that information but you can estimate - you know the number of IB kids, you know the number of RM kids (including IB), you know SAT avg for entire class, and you know avg SAT for IB kids. If you have at least HS education, you can calculate avg SAT for non IB kids. Your HW for tonight.

How do you know that?

Did you even try to find out yourself? Come on, you can do it.