N word at Whitman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation.

Whitman doesn’t have a bad reputation unless you count being the gold standard a bad reputation, what it does have is a lot of jealousy directed at it. Not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation.

Why, because the principal addressed the issue (which exists at probably all the local high schools) head on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation.

Whitman doesn’t have a bad reputation unless you count being the gold standard a bad reputation, what it does have is a lot of jealousy directed at it. Not the same thing.

If doing drugs, being racist, hosting parent sanctioned parties and committing suicide is "the gold standard"... you can have your gold standard.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation. [/quote]

Why, because the principal addressed the issue (which exists at probably all the local high schools) head on?

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No because parents in the school are clearly ignorant, racist and privledged.

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

You are living in a bubble of privilege if you can't see the systemic racism that exists. Also, you don't have to burn a cross on someone's lawn to harbor implicit bias, which is insidious and every bit as damaging as explicit bias.

Blah blah blah this is one tired trope already, and you claim I live in a bubble? Did you read on this comment thread how immigrants from Africa and don't see or experience any systemic racism. You are taking me off topic but your mindset is what pushed many to vote for Trump. They are tired of these lies.

Although I do admit confusion. Whitman neighborhoods are loaded with BLM, hate has no home here and other political signage, more than anywhere else I drive through but posters here declare Whitman parents racist? Its crazy. So what do i know??

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

You are living in a bubble of privilege if you can't see the systemic racism that exists. Also, you don't have to burn a cross on someone's lawn to harbor implicit bias, which is insidious and every bit as damaging as explicit bias.

Blah blah blah this is one tired trope already, and you claim I live in a bubble? Did you read on this comment thread how immigrants from Africa and don't see or experience any systemic racism. You are taking me off topic but your mindset is what pushed many to vote for Trump. They are tired of these lies.

Although I do admit confusion. Whitman neighborhoods are loaded with BLM, hate has no home here and other political signage, more than anywhere else I drive through but posters here declare Whitman parents racist? Its crazy. So what do i know??

What a mess... did you marry money, inherited it? Are you drunk? How are you so illiterate?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who disses Greatschool rating of Whitman, said that teachers urged the students to sabotage the testing and that no way schools that scored higher are actually better academically than Whitman, bcs they are " schools where you see how bad they are just by passing by?" Now, this pp, maybe the same one is excusing racist behavior and effort from the school to address the issue. Just keep telling your kid how school and principal and making this into a bigger issue than it is, and then act surprised when your kid is as racist as you are. Oh, wait, you wouldn't be surprised, you would be proud!

OP here.

Haven't read that post.

Now please explain, why are you calling my children and myself a racist??

Because....you are?? Nothing is wrong with the e-mail, nothing is wrong with the school trying to install values and acceptance to their students. What exactly makes you opposed to making a "big issue," out of this? It is a big issue. No matter the ethnic background of kids using this word, it is meant as a racial slur and even when black NBA players admit to using it among themselves as a joke, it is wrong. What is wrong with you? Why do you not think this is a big deal? What do you think it makes you when you tell your kids that school is making too big of a deal of somebody using racial slurs and insults?

Where did I say it was not a big deal to use the word? I said the response was overkill. Did I not criticize those who used the words?

Look at the vibrant discussion here... many opinions on this but you single me out as a racist with no evidence but merely because my opinion differs from yours.

That fact says more about you than me. How about instead of casting aspersions we focus on whether the response exceeds the deed. I think it does, you think it doesn't. OK then... I ask what will the principal do the next time the word is used? He has already sent two mass emails out, he has already counseled every student. What's next... suspension? Over a word?? What happens if it was a minority who says it... do you suspend the non minorities for saying but not the minorities student? Do you suspend the minority when they don't even think the word is a pejorative?? All these issues now arise because this has been amplified by the Principal. He should have kept his response between the culprits and their parents. I fear going public as it were will only compound matters going forward. I could be wrong, time will tell. If there are no further issues regarding this issue, I'll come back and apologize.

DP here - I'm not the OP, but I think OP raises a good number of valid and thoughtful questions here. He/She doesn't sound like a racist to me, and I think the PP who keeps yelling "RACIST!!" is the one who's totally over the top.

I agree that it would have made more sense for the principal to keep the response between the culprits and their parents. And, I would also be interested to know what kind of consequences people expect going forward for using the N word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

You are living in a bubble of privilege if you can't see the systemic racism that exists. Also, you don't have to burn a cross on someone's lawn to harbor implicit bias, which is insidious and every bit as damaging as explicit bias.

DP here - I'm not either of the PPs

Everyone, EVERYONE has implicit bias. You're not going to get rid of that no matter how long you march.

And, burning a cross is equivalent to using the N word? Not quite.

I'm a minority, and I agree with the PP. I do think there are racists (of every race, not just White racists), but I also think that we are not a racist country.

[Anonymous]

It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is not surprising at the lack of sensitivity given how segregated the W's are.

Oh for heaven's sake. The wealthy/western/white schools are certainly segregated economically. But even the whitest of the schools, Whitman, is only 2/3 white. Walter Johnson and Churchill are about half white, and Wootton is less than half white. If you only went by what you read on DCUM, you'd think that Whitman was basically like Mountain Brook HS. Now that's a segregated school (by design): https://www.mtnbrook.k12.al.us/mbhs

That seems dishonest. Whitman is 9% Hispanic and 4% black. Segregation is alive in well in western Montgomery county.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/#Race_ethnicity*Test_scores*Overview

This is true only if you count Asian-heritage people as honorary whites. Which, indeed, some people often do seem to do, when it comes to Whitman. But they never seem to do that, when it comes to Wootton. Why the inconsistency?

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

So basically, when you say "segregation", you are referring specifically and exclusively to percentages of kids whose ancestors arrived in the US as part of the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

I 'm not a Whitman parent.

[Anonymous]

It's amazing how much lack of awareness Whitman parents have. The whole "we have Asians" or "IMF kids" is not relevant when discussing the N word. Besides, of the 4% 1/2 are west African.

Not really sure what point you are trying to make, but my daughter is West African, and being called the N word affects her the same way it would any African American.