Should a Teacher be required to Say the pledge

[Anonymous]

So, while I support your right to abstain, I still think it very sad that you want to do so.

Kind of like the First Amendment. I support your right to free speech, but I really object to lots of things people say. You have the "right" but that does not make it right.

[Anonymous]

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No. The opposite of sad. We live in a country where we are not required to profess anything. We need not say Heil Hitler, we need not sign oaths of loyalty, we need not pledge allegiance to anything.

You don't get it. The "sad" part is that they do not WANT to say it. That is very sad that they do not have allegiance to our country.

[phone]

the point is that typically, unless there is a strong and deep personal reason for NOT saying the pledge, most people (like a lot of the teachers on here) don't make it a big deal. It seems like it's a lot more effort to protest the saying of the pledge then to just say it. And THAT's what's sad. I honestly couldn't care less and don't base someone's allegiance on whether they say the pledge, but I think it's sad that so many people in this country would take a stand on something like opposing an undivided country and allegiance to it. What happened to us? this thread and the arguments within it are good examples of how proud some people are of not wanting to support our country, proud to not be part of a country and definitely proud to say "screw you America."

That's what's sad - and the pp said it more succinctly than I.

What's sad is you don't understand that people aren't saying, "screw you America" if they don't say the pledge. There are myriad reasons why someone might not, and Jehovah's Witnesses have been used here to clarify one of those reasons (Idolatry and their allegiance is to God). People who don't say the pledge, do support our country, and our Constitution. Equating stating the pledge to supporting the country and vice-verse is what is sad.

This thread is not evidence of something "happening to us;" it is merely enlightening for many to understand why it is a right not to say it. And again, it has been a right for quite some time, so really nothing terribly new.

I'm sorry you are having trouble reading and comprehending my post. I'll try and help you:

What's sad is you don't understand that people aren't saying, "screw you America" if they don't say the pledge.

what I actually said:

I honestly couldn't care less and don't base someone's allegiance on whether they say the pledge,

you say:

There are myriad reasons why someone might not, and Jehovah's Witnesses have been used here to clarify one of those reasons (Idolatry and their allegiance is to God).

What I actually said:

unless there is a strong and deep personal reason for NOT saying the pledge,

My apologies for not spelling out some reasons like Jehovah's witnesses, etc.


You post:

People who don't say the pledge, do support our country, and our Constitution. Equating stating the pledge to supporting the country and vice-verse is what is sad.

Again, to remind you of what I said:

and don't base someone's allegiance on whether they say the pledge

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to respond to you on this

This thread is not evidence of something "happening to us;" it is merely enlightening for many to understand why it is a right not to say it. And again, it has been a right for quite some time, so really nothing terribly new

You missed my point. I was making a deeper observation - not about whether someone says the pledge or not (do I need to repeat that line again?) - but that as a country we are so divided and seem to care less and less about being a unified country and that some people would rather fight every little argument to death to be divided instead of choosing the bigger issues (like we are seeing with the marches, protests, etc. And again - in MY OPINION, unless there's a deeper reason (and BTW, I don't get to choose what that reason is - only the person who chooses not to pledge gets to decides what's a "deeper" reason) saying the pledge isn't a big deal and shouldn't be such an outrage.

No one is saying it is. If you read the OP, the suggestion was that NOT saying the pledge was an outrage. No one on this thread has argued that teachers/children/anyone should be prohibited from saying the pledge.

[Anonymous]

No one is saying it is. If you read the OP, the suggestion was that NOT saying the pledge was an outrage. No one on this thread has argued that teachers/children/anyone should be prohibited from saying the pledge.

But, some people seem to take pride in not saying it--that is what is sad.

Think of all those young men landing on the beaches in Normandy..........

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying it is. If you read the OP, the suggestion was that NOT saying the pledge was an outrage. No one on this thread has argued that teachers/children/anyone should be prohibited from saying the pledge.

But, some people seem to take pride in not saying it--that is what is sad.

Think of all those young men landing on the beaches in Normandy..........

The pledge of allegiance wasn't even a thing when those young men were in Normandy. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

The pledge of allegiance wasn't even a thing when those young men were in Normandy. Give me a break.

Actually, it was. What gives you that idea? They added "under God" in the fifties--but the pledge was said in schools routinely long before that.

[Anonymous]

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The pledge of allegiance wasn't even a thing when those young men were in Normandy. Give me a break.

Actually, it was. What gives you that idea? They added "under God" in the fifties--but the pledge was said in schools routinely long before that.

No it wasn't.

[Anonymous]

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The pledge of allegiance wasn't even a thing when those young men were in Normandy. Give me a break.

Actually, it was. What gives you that idea? They added "under God" in the fifties--but the pledge was said in schools routinely long before that.

No it wasn't.

You'd be wrong. There were even court challenges to it.

[Anonymous]

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The pledge of allegiance wasn't even a thing when those young men were in Normandy. Give me a break.

Actually, it was. What gives you that idea? They added "under God" in the fifties--but the pledge was said in schools routinely long before that.

No it wasn't.

You'd be wrong. There were even court challenges to it.

That's correct, the Supreme Court ruling that students couldn't be forced to say the pledge was in 1943. I think it takes significantly more effort to abstain from the pledge than to participate. As you can see from this thread, abstainers often face pressure and ridicule.

[Anonymous]

Well, if they do not want to display allegiance to their country, they should be able to stand the heat.

[Anonymous]

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No one is saying it is. If you read the OP, the suggestion was that NOT saying the pledge was an outrage. No one on this thread has argued that teachers/children/anyone should be prohibited from saying the pledge.

But, some people seem to take pride in not saying it--that is what is sad.

Think of all those young men landing on the beaches in Normandy..........

Random reference to WWII...ok?? But generally our armed forces fight to protect our freedoms, including free speech. It's sad that people don't understand that because it's such a fundamental part of the US history and identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, if they do not want to display allegiance to their country, they should be able to stand the heat.

Ok, McCarthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, if they do not want to display allegiance to their country, they should be able to stand the heat.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Interesting history of the pledge. Originally written by a socialist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

[Anonymous]

Patriotic correctness is the new political correctness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting history of the pledge. Originally written by a socialist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

and put into the schools to teach immigrant children about citizenship of their new home........