Hannah Graham - what's the latest?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read the blog post? A neighbor did report a tip about this property to the police back on Oct 5th.

I guess I'm just surprised that no one in that area took it upon themselves to check that property themselves. I can't imagine being in that situation and not going over to investigate.

I suppose the important thing is that she has now been found.

The neighbor did look a little bit, but felt uncomfortable so he called the police instead. Given the location (close to where JM grew up), I'd put this one on the police for not investigating earlier. Not the neighbors.

there are 4 property owners near this location. Anyone of them could have walked the area. I just dont believe that you can have so much property that you cant walk it. These are not rich people here.

see - https://www.google.com/maps/@37.924082,-78.6157643,16z

Then you must have grown up in the city or a dense suburb. Idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

Jesse Matthews, who LE believes is forensically tied to Morgan Harrington, was working as a taxi driver the night she went missing, according to his former employer.

There was another incident in Charlottesville in which a taxi driver attempted to abduct a woman.

Just sayin'.

That the driver can be the killer, that's what gnaws at me. DH and I felt that DD's Uber account added a layer of peace of mind (ours) and security (hers). I just can't stop thinking about this case and the Graham family. So sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe those of you who are running after the property owner with pitch forks when you have NO idea if the property was searched, or not searched, and the reasons why. Crazy.

This is the DCUM way:

Learn of situation that will likely NEVER happen to you (e.g. Body buries in your property's backyard, being captures and beheaded by Isis), castigate those involved, detail all the ways the DCUM would have done everything right and been the superhero of the situation!

+1. All written in the most harsh and smug language imaginable.

+2 I was appalled by the posters who are criticizing the owner of this property and suggesting that it be taken by eminent domain. Really? I can only think that those posting are very young 20-somethings (or younger) with limited life experience.

Definitely the most idiotic post of the year. What old lady is going to risk becoming a victim herself by triapsing through a rocky, heavilly wooded creek???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you read the blog post? A neighbor did report a tip about this property to the police back on Oct 5th.

I guess I'm just surprised that no one in that area took it upon themselves to check that property themselves. I can't imagine being in that situation and not going over to investigate.

I suppose the important thing is that she has now been found.

The neighbor did look a little bit, but felt uncomfortable so he called the police instead. Given the location (close to where JM grew up), I'd put this one on the police for not investigating earlier. Not the neighbors.

there are 4 property owners near this location. Anyone of them could have walked the area. I just dont believe that you can have so much property that you cant walk it. These are not rich people here.

see - https://www.google.com/maps/@37.924082,-78.6157643,16z

Maybe the police and search teams couldn't search the property because it is private property? I'm not blaming the neighbor - maybe they went over there and something gave them the creeps and they were scared to look any further. It just seems that if I lived close to something like that I would have brought a friend/neighbor back with me. But in the end, the outcome for Hannah did not change. So tragic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

As a former UVA female student and recent Charlottesville resident, I can say that finding a cab at that hour isn't always the easiest. And I don't know if Uber is in Charlottesville or not, but when DH and I tried to Uber after a football game recently, nothing came up. There was a safe driver program operated by the police, but it definitely wasn't prevalent enough. I certainly made poor choices in terms of getting home at night; I knew it was stupid, but it was hard/expensive to find a cab (and at this point, I'd be scared witless now that I know who was operating them) and my friends weren't ready to leave the bar when I was. Charlottesville and the University really need to join forces to get a reliable, safe, ubiquitous transit service in place for students and make it a no-brainer for them to use. In addition, I'd suggest increasing police presence at certain locations and early morning hours. Charlottesville is a wonderful place, but I definitely wouldn't recommend walking around the city late at night. Downtown and surrounding areas are mostly shadier than not past 10 p.m.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

As a former UVA female student and recent Charlottesville resident, I can say that finding a cab at that hour isn't always the easiest. And I don't know if Uber is in Charlottesville or not, but when DH and I tried to Uber after a football game recently, nothing came up. There was a safe driver program operated by the police, but it definitely wasn't prevalent enough. I certainly made poor choices in terms of getting home at night; I knew it was stupid, but it was hard/expensive to find a cab (and at this point, I'd be scared witless now that I know who was operating them) and my friends weren't ready to leave the bar when I was. Charlottesville and the University really need to join forces to get a reliable, safe, ubiquitous transit service in place for students and make it a no-brainer for them to use. In addition, I'd suggest increasing police presence at certain locations and early morning hours. Charlottesville is a wonderful place, but I definitely wouldn't recommend walking around the city late at night. Downtown and surrounding areas are mostly shadier than not past 10 p.m.

Does UVA have any sort of evening shuttle service? I went to U Penn which at the time was in a very dangerous part of Philadelphia and we never walked at night because the escort van (which operated until 3 AM) was so easy to catch. I'm surprised UVA doesn't have something similar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe those of you who are running after the property owner with pitch forks when you have NO idea if the property was searched, or not searched, and the reasons why. Crazy.

This is the DCUM way:

Learn of situation that will likely NEVER happen to you (e.g. Body buries in your property's backyard, being captures and beheaded by Isis), castigate those involved, detail all the ways the DCUM would have done everything right and been the superhero of the situation!

+1. All written in the most harsh and smug language imaginable.

+2 I was appalled by the posters who are criticizing the owner of this property and suggesting that it be taken by eminent domain. Really? I can only think that those posting are very young 20-somethings (or younger) with limited life experience.

Welcome to the new Marxist dialogue

[Anonymous]

Maybe the police and search teams couldn't search the property because it is private property?

Bingo. You get shot for trespassing in places like rural Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

As a former UVA female student and recent Charlottesville resident, I can say that finding a cab at that hour isn't always the easiest. And I don't know if Uber is in Charlottesville or not, but when DH and I tried to Uber after a football game recently, nothing came up. There was a safe driver program operated by the police, but it definitely wasn't prevalent enough. I certainly made poor choices in terms of getting home at night; I knew it was stupid, but it was hard/expensive to find a cab (and at this point, I'd be scared witless now that I know who was operating them) and my friends weren't ready to leave the bar when I was. Charlottesville and the University really need to join forces to get a reliable, safe, ubiquitous transit service in place for students and make it a no-brainer for them to use. In addition, I'd suggest increasing police presence at certain locations and early morning hours. Charlottesville is a wonderful place, but I definitely wouldn't recommend walking around the city late at night. Downtown and surrounding areas are mostly shadier than not past 10 p.m.

Does UVA have any sort of evening shuttle service? I went to U Penn which at the time was in a very dangerous part of Philadelphia and we never walked at night because the escort van (which operated until 3 AM) was so easy to catch. I'm surprised UVA doesn't have something similar.

I hope so. When I was at UVA (graduated 2002), I was unaware of a shuttle. But it makes a lot of sense for UVA to have a shuttle going between main grounds and the downtown mall. Friends of mine at the University of Chicago always took the UofC shuttle anywhere in Hyde Park at night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of her friends spoken out about the why she was walking alone and not with them? Did they try to get her to walk with a friend?

This is a good point. It is a lesson for all young women - college age and 20-somethings. When you go out, go with at least one other person - preferably a group - and COME HOME TOGETHER.

When you are drunk you are always at risk because you make bad choices. Women would have so much more control if they were sober. Bad things happen when you are drunk.

I taught my daughter before she went to college:
-- never accept a drink from a guy
-- never take your eye off your drink
-- always have one designated person who stays sober and keeps track of everyone else

This is the era we live in. We can talk about women's empowerment all day long, but I would rather have my daughter follow this and makes the odds of her getting home safely in her favor.

Good advice!

It is good advice - I gave it to my daughters when they first started going to parties in HS. And not picking on PP, but this is a talk parents should have with kids when they are in HS so that it is somewhat engrained by the time they get to college. TBH, even then it is 50/50 that your kids will heed the advice all of the time. Young adults will make shaky decisions - it actually is part of normal development. But you just hope that these decisions do not get them hurt or killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe those of you who are running after the property owner with pitch forks when you have NO idea if the property was searched, or not searched, and the reasons why. Crazy.

This is the DCUM way:

Learn of situation that will likely NEVER happen to you (e.g. Body buries in your property's backyard, being captures and beheaded by Isis), castigate those involved, detail all the ways the DCUM would have done everything right and been the superhero of the situation!

+1. All written in the most harsh and smug language imaginable.

+2 I was appalled by the posters who are criticizing the owner of this property and suggesting that it be taken by eminent domain. Really? I can only think that those posting are very young 20-somethings (or younger) with limited life experience.

Definitely the most idiotic post of the year. What old lady is going to risk becoming a victim herself by triapsing through a rocky, heavilly wooded creek???

If police wanted to search the property couldn't they have simply asked for permission to do so (as opposed to obtaining a search warrant)? But even then an owner might decline to allow a search out of fear that their property might be damaged or some other trouble might result for them. And if the owner was elderly she may have been suffering from her own health issues and not really aware of the search efforts - in her own world so to speak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you read the blog post? A neighbor did report a tip about this property to the police back on Oct 5th.

I guess I'm just surprised that no one in that area took it upon themselves to check that property themselves. I can't imagine being in that situation and not going over to investigate.

I suppose the important thing is that she has now been found.

The neighbor did look a little bit, but felt uncomfortable so he called the police instead. Given the location (close to where JM grew up), I'd put this one on the police for not investigating earlier. Not the neighbors.

I only hope that they didn't miss a window of opportunity for additional forensic evidence so they can nail this SOB.

[Anonymous]

Albemarle is huge, 726 square miles, of which 95% is rural. And it's thick, dense, hilly, rocky, etc. Many properties are very difficult to maneuver. Not knowing the physical condition of the property owner, it's quite possible she couldn't search her property.

UberX JUST came to Charlottesville.

UVa has run a night shuttle for a long time (it was here when I went to Virginia in the mid-90s) However, it took forever to arrive and students would rather just walk home then wait. UVa has recently beefed up this shuttle, so maybe it will get more use.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly I wonder if things would have been different if she could gave called a cab or an UBER. She has her cell. She was texting for someone to come find her. I suggested to my friend who has a first year at UVA to get her an uber app on her phone set up on her credit card. I am not sure if uber is in C'ville but it is in Richmond now. I have used I when I have been at a party, even family friendly parities where I am with my kids and I just didn't feel right driving. These apps can be very useful.

Regardless I feel Hannahn could have been anyone's daughter, the entire thing. Heart breaking.

As a former UVA female student and recent Charlottesville resident, I can say that finding a cab at that hour isn't always the easiest. And I don't know if Uber is in Charlottesville or not, but when DH and I tried to Uber after a football game recently, nothing came up. There was a safe driver program operated by the police, but it definitely wasn't prevalent enough. I certainly made poor choices in terms of getting home at night; I knew it was stupid, but it was hard/expensive to find a cab (and at this point, I'd be scared witless now that I know who was operating them) and my friends weren't ready to leave the bar when I was. Charlottesville and the University really need to join forces to get a reliable, safe, ubiquitous transit service in place for students and make it a no-brainer for them to use. In addition, I'd suggest increasing police presence at certain locations and early morning hours. Charlottesville is a wonderful place, but I definitely wouldn't recommend walking around the city late at night. Downtown and surrounding areas are mostly shadier than not past 10 p.m.

Does UVA have any sort of evening shuttle service? I went to U Penn which at the time was in a very dangerous part of Philadelphia and we never walked at night because the escort van (which operated until 3 AM) was so easy to catch. I'm surprised UVA doesn't have something similar.

+1 Virginia Tech has a Safe Ride service that will pick you up anywhere on campus, 24/7, and take you to your dorm or the off-campus math emporium. This is great for freshmen and my junior year roommate used it too since we lived within walking distance of the off-campus empo and downtown Blacksburg is right next to the edge of campus. And all the buses run until 2am on weekends.

PLUS there is the Hooptie Ride service (I lived with a driver and a dispatcher my senior year) that is a private company but operates until 4am on weekends and 3am on weeknights. It's cheaper and more accessible than the few cabs in Blacksburg. I was never in a situation where I couldn't have taken either a bus, Hooptie, or Safe Ride home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true that MH was last seen getting into a taxi? If that rumor is true, I wonder if JM was ever looked at as a suspect? With the sketch of a suspect like they had, it seems like perhaps the population of taxi drivers on duty that night MH disappeared could have revealed JM as a suspect. Hindsight is 20/20 I know.

I recall hearing a few weeks ago that he was questioned about MH but that they had nothing to hold him on.