Teachers are NOT the enemy!

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At the school my DC went to over the summer, there were two programs. One like you mentioned above, and another that was competitive (though not as competitive as regular admissions I'm sure). They had a 25 percent acceptance rate. I totally agree that the material shouldn't be watered down at MCPS. If my DC couldn't handle it DC didn't belong there but DC did and earned an A. I don't understand the logic of holding down my DC. Why didn't you pick on some kid who earned a B in your class? Is it because my DC doesn't wear fancy clothes and I don't drive a fancy car or live in the "right" neighborhood? Is is because you want to be the "cool" teacher?

Where did this come from?

I'm saying that I don't trust people like OP acting as a gatekeeper because in my DC's case, I believe the teacher who had made the recommendation was cliquey with the "cool" moms friending them on Facebook etc.

There's a difference btw BELIEVING and KNOWING.

And how would you know her FB patterns unless 1) you were ALSO friending her and the "cool" moms or 2) you were spying using a fake account?

paranoid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:15:23 you are gross! The PP you were responding to sounds like a great mom. I'd be friends with her in a second.

Thanks, you still didn't answer either of the questions I addressed.

Glad you like to daydream about making friends with anonymous posters.

I agree with PP, 15:23 you are the reason moms see teachers as the enemy. Moms have more than the right, they have the responsibilitiy to advocate for their kid. You rolling your eyes about that DOES make you the enemy. Fortunately there are many teachers that are not like you.

Moms have the right to advocate, of course. But if they're misguided in their advocacy, teachers have the right to say "no." This is basic, folks.

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Nonsense. The grade inflation existed before Curriculum 2.0 and during Curriculum 2.0 implemtation. And it contiunes after Curriculum 2.0 implementation. And for the last decade and this decade. It is absolutely assinine that a student population (normal distribution) will have 80% make the honor roll and 30 % with stright As. This is stupid. What then is the puropse of grades? Why not get rid of all grades if you make a mockery of the process.

Source, please?

Please try again. And this time, more of us will be clicking on your supposed links.

The haters almost never do have any actual data. Then they blame this on MCPS's "lack of transparency".

Love how the "90% of grades are As" poster has simply vanished. No shame.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, absolutely, parents share the blame. I'm a parent, not a teacher. I've seen overbearing parents push their kids into the top levels again and again. One mom complained to me that her kid wasn't in the advanced reading group, she said she was going to call the teacher and, lo and behold, a week later the kid had been moved up to the advanced group with mine. Another story: in our MCPS language immersion program one mom complained that the quarterly math assessments were too difficult for her snowflake, so the school started handing the questions out before the assessment test to all the kids.

Why does parental behavior share the blame? Several reasons, some understandable, some not so much:
(1) They know, because it's the truth, that if their kid doesn't get on the advanced math and reading tracks in elementary school, the kid will have a much lower shot at the magnets. I doubt many of these parents are gunning for Harvard in 10 years. It's just they understand that by settling for "regular" in elementary school they will limit their kids' future options and opportunities.
(2) Who doesn't want more challenge for their kids? The PPs arguing that it's about families wanting dumbed-down curricula have got the wrong end of the stick. Parents want their kids to be challenged even if they're overestimating their snowflake's abilities.
(3) Some parents don't want their snowflakes in the "regular" classes with the bad discipline cases.

I can also argue the other side. I blame parents and teachers about equally. Because teachers are forced to be gatekeepers against this onslaught of loving parents, they do sometimes keep out qualified kids. We had to argue for our kid, who was in the 98th percentile on the Terra Nova math elements, to get into advanced math. I doubt we were wrong to do so, because DC subsequently got into the math magnet.

Exactly, but be honest about this. If your kid then gets a C, or worse, don't blame the teacher. You put your kid in that class because you don't want them with the "bad" kids even though you have recognized that they may not have the academic talents to be there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:15:23 you are gross! The PP you were responding to sounds like a great mom. I'd be friends with her in a second.

Thanks, you still didn't answer either of the questions I addressed.

Glad you like to daydream about making friends with anonymous posters.

I agree with PP, 15:23 you are the reason moms see teachers as the enemy. Moms have more than the right, they have the responsibilitiy to advocate for their kid. You rolling your eyes about that DOES make you the enemy. Fortunately there are many teachers that are not like you.

Why are we talking about moms? Many children who go to school also have fathers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
At the school my DC went to over the summer, there were two programs. One like you mentioned above, and another that was competitive (though not as competitive as regular admissions I'm sure). They had a 25 percent acceptance rate. I totally agree that the material shouldn't be watered down at MCPS. If my DC couldn't handle it DC didn't belong there but DC did and earned an A. I don't understand the logic of holding down my DC. Why didn't you pick on some kid who earned a B in your class? Is it because my DC doesn't wear fancy clothes and I don't drive a fancy car or live in the "right" neighborhood? Is is because you want to be the "cool" teacher?

Where did this come from?

I'm saying that I don't trust people like OP acting as a gatekeeper because in my DC's case, I believe the teacher who had made the recommendation was cliquey with the "cool" moms friending them on Facebook etc.

There's a difference btw BELIEVING and KNOWING.

And how would you know her FB patterns unless 1) you were ALSO friending her and the "cool" moms or 2) you were spying using a fake account?

paranoid

Observant but not paranoid. Regarding Facebook, I've seen her comment on other parents postings (mutual friends). Of course because I have children who have done well in advanced classes after being told 'no", it's easiest just to call me names and attack me than admit the teacher isn't always right.

[Anonymous]

The elephant in the room is a deep philosophical question:

Should advanced classes be just for objetively smart kids, the kids with IQ>120 (and the magnets are for kids with IQ>130)?

Or should advanced classes be for hard workers too? If the latter, then can you really blame the teachers for being unsure as to whether your IQ=110 kid can work hard enough to succeed?

[Anonymous]

I clicked on all of these, also on the link in the post right above this.

There is NOTHING HERE that says that "80-90% of MCPS high school kids get As." Every single link above is about the high rate of failure in county math exams, and each one mentions in passing that fewer kids actually fail their math classes. There is absolutely nothing about the rate at which As are awarded.

WE ARE DEBATING A MADE UP STATISTIC. Unless the hater cares to provide us with some actual statistics.

Check the link below meathead:

If you have enough brains in your pin head to fill a Wharton thimble you might have the smarts to check the data for every middle and high school for the last 5 years.
I'm back to watch another dumb wall street type eat crow!

Check the stats for the institutions in your own cluster!

http://connectedcommunities.us/showthread.php?s=9a9422c881ddbc51b8b03746e8bfb043&t=60267

The majority of MCPS students are on the honor roll. The majority of MCPS students get As. Grade inflation is rampant. These facts are obvious ... even to the illiterates. Facts have nothing to do with hatred. The facts are the facts, Mus Wharton.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, the poster is BAACK.

Welcome back.

Now where is Wharton???

[Anonymous]

NP: In case Ms Wharton is not savvy enough with finding data

http://connectedcommunities.us/forumdisplay.php?f=154

More on the same theme: Rampant MCPS Grade Inflation

In my day, UPENN and WHARTON was renown for GRADE INFLATION. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure Wharton is a technical school in SE DC.

[Anonymous]

If all these kids are making the MCPS honor roll and getting As no wonder parents are seeking more challenge in the courses from teachers, principals and Mr. Starr.

It is ridiculous that some schools have up to 80% of ALL students on the honor rolls and 30% of ALL students with straight As.

I caution my kids everyday not to be bamboozled by this foolishness from adult educators. If getting an A is as easy as pie you are in the wrong classroom. The teachers can't be so brilliant at their craft that the majority of our children are passing with the highest standards.

Only a Wharton grad would believe such foolishness.

[Anonymous]

NP I had a teacher who told me that my DS needed remedial reading and his standardized test scores were in the 93th percentile. She obviously didn't know what she was doing.

[Anonymous]

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I clicked on all of these, also on the link in the post right above this.

There is NOTHING HERE that says that "80-90% of MCPS high school kids get As." Every single link above is about the high rate of failure in county math exams, and each one mentions in passing that fewer kids actually fail their math classes. There is absolutely nothing about the rate at which As are awarded.

WE ARE DEBATING A MADE UP STATISTIC. Unless the hater cares to provide us with some actual statistics.

Check the link below meathead:

If you have enough brains in your pin head to fill a Wharton thimble you might have the smarts to check the data for every middle and high school for the last 5 years.
I'm back to watch another dumb wall street type eat crow!

Check the stats for the institutions in your own cluster!

http://connectedcommunities.us/showthread.php?s=9a9422c881ddbc51b8b03746e8bfb043&t=60267

The majority of MCPS students are on the honor roll. The majority of MCPS students get As. Grade inflation is rampant. These facts are obvious ... even to the illiterates. Facts have nothing to do with hatred. The facts are the facts, Mus Wharton.

A link to Cabin John Middle School? One of the richest schools in MCPS? Moreover, it doesn't even prove your point, because it says 73%, not 90%, of their kids made honor roll?

Newsflash: in MCPS "honor roll" means Bs, not As. "High honor roll" means As. I'll cut and paste from the site you linked to, where it says that "20.42% of All Students" made high honor roll with all As. Note that 20.4% is not the same as 90%. This is basic MCPS knowledge, so I really have to ask: do you have a kid in MCPS, or do you know anything about the system?

Are you kidding us? And you say that we're supposed to prove your 90% statistic by looking up the rest of the schools in the county? Honey, this is your stat, so you need to prove it. With real links to real numbers.

Sorry, we all still think you're an idiot, besides being a rude and pompous jerk.

Signed, Wharton mom

[Anonymous]

What GPA is required to make the MCPS honor roll?

Welcome Ms Wharton. Now let's see if you we taught any math?