WAPO article about sever FFX school budget cuts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

There is Head Start.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

Some have questioned whether kids born to non-citizens should automatically be citizens just because they are born in the U.S.

But how are undocumented adults themselves a drain on resources? What funding or services do they themselves receive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

There is Head Start.

Not as much now with sequester.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part time AAP level I and III programs are in place to help students who don't necessarily make the AAP cut but are gifted in one area. They are very popular and keep kids at base schools.

And it is supposed to be readying kids to take honors courses in middle school and AP/IB in high school so they are more prepared for college. But readying kids for college is not the goal of the New FCPS now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

There is Head Start.

Not as much now with sequester.

Isn't sequester over now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suggest that FCPS eliminate all "advanced" classes.

Start at the high school level since AP/IB courses will no longer require taking the related exam. If a student wants to take the exam, they have to pay for it.

Since we are eliminating AP/IB, then close down TJ. We need space for high school students anyway so let's use the space for a high school.

Since there is no more AP/IB and no more TJ, then there is no need to get students ready to take higher level courses in middle and high school. Eliminate AAP altogether and eliminate all honors courses.

That should save some $

This is a good plan. Run for school board on that platform.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

There is Head Start.

Not as much now with sequester.

Isn't sequester over now?

The government shutdown is over now. The sequester is an entirely different matter.

http://www.politico.com/p/pages/sequestration/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suggest that FCPS eliminate all "advanced" classes.

Start at the high school level since AP/IB courses will no longer require taking the related exam. If a student wants to take the exam, they have to pay for it.

Since we are eliminating AP/IB, then close down TJ. We need space for high school students anyway so let's use the space for a high school.

Since there is no more AP/IB and no more TJ, then there is no need to get students ready to take higher level courses in middle and high school. Eliminate AAP altogether and eliminate all honors courses.

That should save some $

This is a good plan. Run for school board on that platform.

I have to wait two years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Part time AAP level I and III programs are in place to help students who don't necessarily make the AAP cut but are gifted in one area. They are very popular and keep kids at base schools.

Yes but they are not needed. Plenty of kids self select to take AP in middle school and are successful all the way through High School AP and IB programs. And look at all the "successes before AAP"! It is a waste of tax dollars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would assume most cuts would be to non-essential programs like AAP?

One would hope so but someone somewhere is holding FCPS hostage to this program.

FCPS needs to get rid of the part time AART's and the part time AAP programs. They are not necessary and wasting money with no benifit. Bring the qualified fulltime AAP teachers from the center programs and distribute them in the base schools. Provide truly advanced classes with placement based on performance and grades not "social difficulties" . This wil get rid of some of the "pork" AAP services in the elementary schools. Drop the middle school AAP center program and stick with the, already in place, current self selected AP classes in all base middle schools. This eliminates the wasted money and countless hours of pay spent for "qualifying" kids, elimanates the part time AAP teachers and programs, consolidates busing, redistributes the students all while providing a "real" equal oppitunity and quality education for all. Look at all the cost savings!

How much? Like in the ball park of $48 million spent on ESOL?

Except ESOL, no matter how you feel about it, is essential for giving kids in this area a basic public education that meets Virginia standards of learning. AAP isn't.

And it makes me sad to hear so much ignorance and bigotry on this forum. Would like to see what you all would be doing if you weren't so lucky to have been born here. It's an accident of birth that some kids are born to families or in places lacking resources -- not a measure of their worth. Many of us who have been here for generations are fortunate that our ancestors failed in or were forced to leave their countries earlier. Like it or not, the US is a country of immigrants and will likely remain a country of immigrants for a long time coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

There is Head Start.

hasn't the funding for head start been gutted?

[Anonymous]

PP, our country just can't afford to educate, feed, and support the enormous tide of illegal immigrants. This thread is proof of that-their needs are overwhelming one of the wealthiest counties in the US. There aren't enough taxpayers to take care of the entire world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would assume most cuts would be to non-essential programs like AAP?

One would hope so but someone somewhere is holding FCPS hostage to this program.

FCPS needs to get rid of the part time AART's and the part time AAP programs. They are not necessary and wasting money with no benifit. Bring the qualified fulltime AAP teachers from the center programs and distribute them in the base schools. Provide truly advanced classes with placement based on performance and grades not "social difficulties" . This wil get rid of some of the "pork" AAP services in the elementary schools. Drop the middle school AAP center program and stick with the, already in place, current self selected AP classes in all base middle schools. This eliminates the wasted money and countless hours of pay spent for "qualifying" kids, elimanates the part time AAP teachers and programs, consolidates busing, redistributes the students all while providing a "real" equal oppitunity and quality education for all. Look at all the cost savings!

How much? Like in the ball park of $48 million spent on ESOL?

Except ESOL, no matter how you feel about it, is essential for giving kids in this area a basic public education that meets Virginia standards of learning. AAP isn't.

And it makes me sad to hear so much ignorance and bigotry on this forum. Would like to see what you all would be doing if you weren't so lucky to have been born here. It's an accident of birth that some kids are born to families or in places lacking resources -- not a measure of their worth. Many of us who have been here for generations are fortunate that our ancestors failed in or were forced to leave their countries earlier. Like it or not, the US is a country of immigrants and will likely remain a country of immigrants for a long time coming.

It's an accident of birth I wasn't born in Finland which has an excellent school system. But they won't let me just sneak in there and send my kid to school for free and even give them free and reduced fee lunches.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

I would start with deporting the ones here illegally and then re-evaluate the budget. I guarantee that it would save a lot of money.

I'm willing to bet the majority of the so-called illegals you're referring to work harder than most of the nincompoops on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would assume most cuts would be to non-essential programs like AAP?

This is what I'm wondering as well. In the article, it mentioned adding one student to each GE classroom... what about AAP classrooms? Are they somehow exempt from adding more students?