WAPO article about sever FFX school budget cuts

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know the mileage cost of a school bus? I've seen lots of buses showing up at schools with a handful of kids.

At our elementary school, this is only true for the buses for the special ed programs. The regular buses are packed. The kids in special ed come from much farther away, I think usually, so I think there is a limit to how long they can be on the bus.

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So the real reason for the deficit is the ESOL. How come the county just doesn't come out and say it?

PC

I don't think you can pinpoint any one reason for the deficit. All budget items contribute to the bottom line. Any many factors affect the amount available for spending.

Not really, if you add up everything else it's barely a scratch compared to ESOL which increased by 48 million and I bet every year it's increased by a lot making it's total cost dwarf the deficit. I guarantee if ESOL was cut or eliminated FCPS would be cashflow positive for the foreseeable future unless they start doing poor investments.

But then they wouldn't actually be educating the percentage of the children who need ESOL. So that sort of defeats the purpose of public education, no?

Agree with PPP. What world do you live in? The ignorance of so-called educated people in this area is frightening.

what are you saying? That FCPS is required to educate illegal aliens?

Yes. They cannot ask about documentation status. They are required to educate all who come.

O.K., well that's the problem then, right there. Solve that problem, you solve the budget deficit.

[Anonymous]

I've seen a lot of kids, born and raised here, who don't still don't speak much English when they enter kindergarten. There's plenty of television programming in popular languages, so the kids just watch that, and family only speaks the native language at home.

It's spending money in another way, but I'd welcome public preschools.

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So the real reason for the deficit is the ESOL. How come the county just doesn't come out and say it?

PC

I don't think you can pinpoint any one reason for the deficit. All budget items contribute to the bottom line. Any many factors affect the amount available for spending.

Not really, if you add up everything else it's barely a scratch compared to ESOL which increased by 48 million and I bet every year it's increased by a lot making it's total cost dwarf the deficit. I guarantee if ESOL was cut or eliminated FCPS would be cashflow positive for the foreseeable future unless they start doing poor investments.

But then they wouldn't actually be educating the percentage of the children who need ESOL. So that sort of defeats the purpose of public education, no?

Agree with PPP. What world do you live in? The ignorance of so-called educated people in this area is frightening.

what are you saying? That FCPS is required to educate illegal aliens?

Yes. They cannot ask about documentation status. They are required to educate all who come.

O.K., well that's the problem then, right there. Solve that problem, you solve the budget deficit.

That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

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So the real reason for the deficit is the ESOL. How come the county just doesn't come out and say it?

PC

I don't think you can pinpoint any one reason for the deficit. All budget items contribute to the bottom line. Any many factors affect the amount available for spending.

Not really, if you add up everything else it's barely a scratch compared to ESOL which increased by 48 million and I bet every year it's increased by a lot making it's total cost dwarf the deficit. I guarantee if ESOL was cut or eliminated FCPS would be cashflow positive for the foreseeable future unless they start doing poor investments.

But then they wouldn't actually be educating the percentage of the children who need ESOL. So that sort of defeats the purpose of public education, no?

Agree with PPP. What world do you live in? The ignorance of so-called educated people in this area is frightening.

what are you saying? That FCPS is required to educate illegal aliens?

Yes. They cannot ask about documentation status. They are required to educate all who come.

O.K., well that's the problem then, right there. Solve that problem, you solve the budget deficit.

That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last time I looked at the dashboard, it seemed like almost every elementary school was either at or over capacity, so I don't think closing the AAP centers would really solve any problems. There are still too many bodies and not enough square footage.

Draw the boundaries to use the schools efficiently?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

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So the real reason for the deficit is the ESOL. How come the county just doesn't come out and say it?

PC

I don't think you can pinpoint any one reason for the deficit. All budget items contribute to the bottom line. Any many factors affect the amount available for spending.

Not really, if you add up everything else it's barely a scratch compared to ESOL which increased by 48 million and I bet every year it's increased by a lot making it's total cost dwarf the deficit. I guarantee if ESOL was cut or eliminated FCPS would be cashflow positive for the foreseeable future unless they start doing poor investments.

But then they wouldn't actually be educating the percentage of the children who need ESOL. So that sort of defeats the purpose of public education, no?

Agree with PPP. What world do you live in? The ignorance of so-called educated people in this area is frightening.

what are you saying? That FCPS is required to educate illegal aliens?

Yes. They cannot ask about documentation status. They are required to educate all who come.

O.K., well that's the problem then, right there. Solve that problem, you solve the budget deficit.

That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

+1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

I would start with deporting the ones here illegally and then re-evaluate the budget. I guarantee that it would save a lot of money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

Those are big policy questions; I am just glad we have put our fingers on the cause of this deficit. I presume you'd pay higher taxes to educate the illegals who are not even in the country legally? Maybe the feds could add a processing fee for all the immigrants and then kick it back to the schools to educate their offspring who need ESOL.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your stupidity talking. If you don't educate these children they will continue to be a drain on resources as adults. Don't be such an idiot.

I think you are missing the argument. They won't be a drain as an adult because they would be deported before reaching that milestone.

So you're going to deport American kids (many are born here) because they weren't prepared for school? Or keep the kids here and deport the parents? then who's gonna take care of (pay) for kids?

I would start with deporting the ones here illegally and then re-evaluate the budget. I guarantee that it would save a lot of money.

probably make the whole deficit disappear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would assume most cuts would be to non-essential programs like AAP?

One would hope so but someone somewhere is holding FCPS hostage to this program.

FCPS needs to get rid of the part time AART's and the part time AAP programs. They are not necessary and wasting money with no benifit. Bring the qualified fulltime AAP teachers from the center programs and distribute them in the base schools. Provide truly advanced classes with placement based on performance and grades not "social difficulties" . This wil get rid of some of the "pork" AAP services in the elementary schools. Drop the middle school AAP center program and stick with the, already in place, current self selected AP classes in all base middle schools. This eliminates the wasted money and countless hours of pay spent for "qualifying" kids, elimanates the part time AAP teachers and programs, consolidates busing, redistributes the students all while providing a "real" equal oppitunity and quality education for all. Look at all the cost savings!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would assume most cuts would be to non-essential programs like AAP?

One would hope so but someone somewhere is holding FCPS hostage to this program.

FCPS needs to get rid of the part time AART's and the part time AAP programs. They are not necessary and wasting money with no benifit. Bring the qualified fulltime AAP teachers from the center programs and distribute them in the base schools. Provide truly advanced classes with placement based on performance and grades not "social difficulties" . This wil get rid of some of the "pork" AAP services in the elementary schools. Drop the middle school AAP center program and stick with the, already in place, current self selected AP classes in all base middle schools. This eliminates the wasted money and countless hours of pay spent for "qualifying" kids, elimanates the part time AAP teachers and programs, consolidates busing, redistributes the students all while providing a "real" equal oppitunity and quality education for all. Look at all the cost savings!

How much? Like in the ball park of $48 million spent on ESOL?

[Anonymous]

I suggest that FCPS eliminate all "advanced" classes.

Start at the high school level since AP/IB courses will no longer require taking the related exam. If a student wants to take the exam, they have to pay for it.

Since we are eliminating AP/IB, then close down TJ. We need space for high school students anyway so let's use the space for a high school.

Since there is no more AP/IB and no more TJ, then there is no need to get students ready to take higher level courses in middle and high school. Eliminate AAP altogether and eliminate all honors courses.

That should save some $

[Anonymous]

Part time AAP level I and III programs are in place to help students who don't necessarily make the AAP cut but are gifted in one area. They are very popular and keep kids at base schools.