War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

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Wow, they're even getting reparations?

Omg does Trump realize he is President of the U.S. and not Iran?! He completely whiffed this! Iran just learned they have something better than nukes - the strait of Hormuz to get the world to be their B.

OMG! Hard to believe you people are believing Iranian propaganda.
On second thought, it’s not hard to believe. The leftists here have been rooting against the US since this conflict began. Actually, longer than that.

Agree. Can’t believe folks believe the Iranian media.

Iran physically controls the strait. That means if they say it is only open in coordination with the Iranian military, then it is only open in coordination with the Iranian military.

[Anonymous]

Was this whole thing just another market manipulation scam by Trump and his gang?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wow, they're even getting reparations?

Omg does Trump realize he is President of the U.S. and not Iran?! He completely whiffed this! Iran just learned they have something better than nukes - the strait of Hormuz to get the world to be their B.

OMG! Hard to believe you people are believing Iranian propaganda.
On second thought, it’s not hard to believe. The leftists here have been rooting against the US since this conflict began. Actually, longer than that.

lol What are you talking about? The is Trump and republicans’ private war for Israel. You are rooting for Israel not the US.

This is Trump surrendering. Israel is done.

Israel will just try again once they've remarmed and restocked. This ceasefire is just for them to buy time

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is a good plan, america should take over the straight just like the panama canal

This plan does not give us control of the strait, are you nuts

The MAGAs are so desperate for this to be anything other than a total humiliation for Trump and his idiotic war.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t know if people are playing dumb, genuinely don’t understand what’s happening, or are simply blinded by their feelings about Trump, but a lot of the social media commentary right now is absurd and exhausting.

What’s going on is essentially a high-stakes game of chicken between the Trump administration and the remaining leaders of the Islamic Republic over what the end of the current fight looks like. Both sides have clear objectives (see below).

The Islamic Republic believes (or believed) it could use economic pressure, information warfare, and domestic political pressure to force Trump to back down and avoid giving America what it wants. China and Russia are covertly assisting in this effort because the collapse of the regime would severely weaken their influence in the region, and because they are always eager to undermine American power. The regime has also found willing domestic allies in this campaign, including many on the left and certain podcast hosts who are committed to opposing what they — like many Marxist college professors — view as the American empire.

On the other hand, Trump and his administration are using military pressure to force the regime’s leaders to concede. They are essentially presenting the regime with a choice: surrender on these specific demands, or we will continue escalating pressure and removing regime leaders until we find someone who will.

I think the Islamic Republic has underestimated how committed Trump is to achieving these goals. He views them, not without reason, as central to his potential legacy. A Middle East without the constant threat of well-armed and well-funded Iranian terror proxies would be a genuine game-changer. This perspective is shaped not only by his own beliefs but also by the strong encouragement of key regional allies who see Tehran as the central threat — and not just Israel, but most of the Gulf states as well.

Everything else you’re seeing right now is simply the two sides trying to gain leverage and apply greater pressure on each other.

Regarding Trump’s absurd postings specifically, Trump has always been viewed on the world stage as unpredictable and somewhat crazy. He leans into this image. He believes that acting like a bully and openly flexing American power is central to his negotiating and pressure strategy to get what he wants. I have been very critical of Trump for using this style against allies (for example, threatening to take Greenland, or arbitrarily raising tariffs), because it often alienates them unnecessarily and can be counterproductive. (I’m setting aside for now the fact that some of those same allies have proven very unreliable lately.)

However, this approach works much more effectively against rogue regimes and enemies. They genuinely believe he is crazy enough to follow through on threats that other leaders would never make. He has proven this with things like the Mauduro raid. That perception gives him a real edge in a game of chicken like the one playing out now. His over-the-top posts actually make it more likely that regime officials will look for an off-ramp with concessions, not less likely. So while you might dislike his style or find the threats inappropriate, the only questions that truly matter are whether he is prepared to follow through (probably not) and whether these threats help achieve a successful outcome.

This isn't a podcast debate. It's a war. And now that Trump has committed to it, he rightly wants to win it. Anyone telling you that isn't feasible and he should just give in without achieving America's objectives is intentionally deceiving you, and you might want to ask yourself why...

Ha ha ha ha. What a moron. And you're a moron for spreading his idiocies, PP.

By quoting it you made everyone see it twice. Don't do that

[Anonymous]

🇮🇱 Israeli officials concerned over temporary ceasefire deal with Iran, CNN reports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iran had a choice. Electricity or no electricity.

Iran just got a hell of a lot more than electricity.

[Anonymous]

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In 2008. Geopolitics has changed a lot since then. Attacking Iran right now means giving Russia leverage in Ukraine due to oil squeezes and letting China play a major role elsewhere. No sane democratic leader wants to get bogged down in the Middle East right now.

[Anonymous]

Wow, it is sooooo much worse

- we've solved the artificial crisis we created
- at least 13 American servicemembera KIA to say nothing of unknown WIA
- Hormuz no longer free to transit ($2M/ship)
- Iran gets $$$ and benefits from taking the strait
- Iran assumes they can keep their uranium and enrich it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is a good plan, america should take over the straight just like the panama canal

This plan does not give us control of the strait, are you nuts

The MAGAs are so desperate for this to be anything other than a total humiliation for Trump and his idiotic war.

Iran really pissed of their neighbors by closing a straight that is not theirs to close. Iran is now hated by all the neighboring Muslim countries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These are the things Trump has agree to

Key Points of the Proposal
Security Guarantees: A permanent end to the war and a formal guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again.
Sanctions Relief: The immediate lifting of all U.S. and international sanctions.
Regional De-escalation: An end to Israeli strikes in Lebanon and against other Iranian allies.
Strait of Hormuz Reopening: Iran agrees to reopen the vital shipping route under specific protocols.
Transit Fees: Implementation of a $2 million fee per ship transiting the Strait. Iran proposes splitting these proceeds with Oman.
Reconstruction Funding: Iran plans to use its share of the shipping fees to fund the reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed during the conflict instead of seeking direct reparations.
Nuclear Commitment: A reported commitment by Iran to not seek nuclear weapons and a request for recognition of its right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.
Frozen Assets: The release of all Iranian funds and assets frozen by the United States.

THIS IS FALSE.

The US has NOT agreed to this!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wow, they're even getting reparations?

Omg does Trump realize he is President of the U.S. and not Iran?! He completely whiffed this! Iran just learned they have something better than nukes - the strait of Hormuz to get the world to be their B.

OMG! Hard to believe you people are believing Iranian propaganda.
On second thought, it’s not hard to believe. The leftists here have been rooting against the US since this conflict began. Actually, longer than that.

Agree. Can’t believe folks believe the Iranian media.

Iran physically controls the strait. That means if they say it is only open in coordination with the Iranian military, then it is only open in coordination with the Iranian military.

Can't believe folks need to get this spelled out, but what it means is that you need to pay a hefty fee to get your boat across. Both France and Japan paid big bucks to do just that last week, a first for wealthy democratic nations - previously only Omani and Pakistani ships had been let through (with fee, maybe smaller). Iran might perhaps consider letting American ships through, but there might be a "special enemy price" just for the US

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is a good plan, america should take over the straight just like the panama canal

This plan does not give us control of the strait, are you nuts

The MAGAs are so desperate for this to be anything other than a total humiliation for Trump and his idiotic war.

Iran really pissed of their neighbors by closing a straight that is not theirs to close. Iran is now hated by all the neighboring Muslim countries

They were already hated by the GCC. Nothing new. But now they control the strait permanently and the GCC is going to have to pay Iran to use it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, it is sooooo much worse

- we've solved the artificial crisis we created
- at least 13 American servicemembera KIA to say nothing of unknown WIA
- Hormuz no longer free to transit ($2M/ship)
- Iran gets $$$ and benefits from taking the strait
- Iran assumes they can keep their uranium and enrich it

Do NOT believe the shit other people are posting. They are pulling it off social media from Iran’s talking points. It is false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this is a good plan, america should take over the straight just like the panama canal

This plan does not give us control of the strait, are you nuts

The MAGAs are so desperate for this to be anything other than a total humiliation for Trump and his idiotic war.

Iran really pissed of their neighbors by closing a straight that is not theirs to close. Iran is now hated by all the neighboring Muslim countries

Hated yes, but they will work together because they perforce share the Persian Gulf. You are missing this critical point. Petrostates need to sell their oil otherwise they have nothing.