War with Iran Part II

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Anonymous wrote:While you are arguing, 29 billion spent on a pointless war nobody wanted and 3.8% inflation caused by it.
This sucks.

+1 It’s so weird that this thread is like 85% people arguing about Gaza instead of actually discussing this disastrous war.

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Anonymous wrote:Iranian Vice President for Strategic Affairs, Mohammad Javad Zarif:

“President Trump seems to have an insatiable need to be the center of attention. International relations are a serious matter; they concern people’s lives and the stability of entire regions.
At times, it feels as though the whole world is being forced to take part in a multibillion-dollar therapy session to compensate for the attention he may not have received in childhood."

Iran will keep this up through November. Iran is letting about 1/2 the Persian Gulf oil get to market. A few weeks before first absentee ballots go out in the states, Iran will destroy the Saudi pipeline and stop all tanker traffic through the strait. This will be another 10 million barrels a day gone from the market. It will double gas and diesel prices within days.

Trump is the next Carter.

No, he is not. Please do not denigrate President Carter like that. Trump is in a league of his own, and is below the dirt in which Carter is buried.

The point is Iran will take Trump down like they took Carter down. Iran is playing this out for November’s election. Oil will continue to rise as long as Trump and republicans are in power.

This is Trump’s watergate/OPEC oil crisis/Vietnam all rolled in to one. Carter was a very smart moral man who was very restrained. Trump is the opposite but he has the support of the corrupt amoral Republican Party.

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Anonymous wrote:While you are arguing, 29 billion spent on a pointless war nobody wanted and 3.8% inflation caused by it.
This sucks.

+1 It’s so weird that this thread is like 85% people arguing about Gaza instead of actually discussing this disastrous war.

Some economists looked at the DOD numbers and said it was bullsh#t. The number 25-29 billion is just for normal operational cost for that time. It does not include losses of equipment, munition expenditures, destruction of bases, etc, etc. The real number is in the 150-225 billion range.

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Oh this’ll fix everything

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Anonymous wrote:Douglas Macgregor: Netanyahu has something he's never had before - complete control of the US Armed Forces. Absolute allegiance and obedience of the US President and Congress. He knows he has to use it or lose it.

Macgregor says Netanyahu knows this window is closing. He has to use America's remaining power now - or the "Greater Israel Project" collapses

I noticed so many Israeli/Zionist bots on X were promoting the creation of The ballroom after that weird joke of an assassination attempt. Is it really just a ballroom or a Zionist control and command /Ai data center beneath the White House?

JFC. You are seriously deranged.

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Anonymous wrote:No way Iran agrees to a ceasefire. Israel is now killing so many people in Lebanon so regularly that the media has lost interest. Much like it did in Gaza.

This is heartbreaking to me. Like with Gaza I am astounded we are sitting back and letting this happen.

And this time it’s so much worse - everyone is scared to protest based on what happened to protesters last time (remember the Tufts student swept up off the street by unidentified men while she was in the phone with her mom - all for writing an opt ed protesting what Israel was doing in Gaza!). We officially are living under a repressive regime.

You know who's actually scared to protest? Iranian citizens. Can't blame them considering the Iranian regime murdered thousands of them the last time they protested.

Maybe they’re scared to protest because they don’t want the us and Israel to install a shill candidate. They saw the disaster our failed regime changes caused in Iraq, Syria, libya. Do you think these places are better off post Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad? Absolutely not. Anyone well traveled will tell you Baghdad, Damascus, tripoli were excellent worldly cities pre war

Yes, I'm sure that must it. Not being utterly terrified that their insane and authoritarian mullahs will have them mowed down if they dare to protest.

Hey! Don’t throw stones in glass houses. We cannot protest here anymore either. We get SHOT!

How many Iranian protesters have been shot and how many American protesters have been shot?

Is there some acceptable number of protestors being shot or maimed or arrested or fired or jailed that makes you feel like the Trump administration is better than the Iranian leadership?

What’s the ratio?

DP. Here's a better question: tell us exactly why you are so defensive of the Iranian regime and why you feel they're more "moral" (can't believe I just typed that) than the U.S. Don't forget to take into account their brutal jailing and executions of political prisoners, women, homosexuals, etc. We'll wait while you build your insane defense of a terrorist state.

Do they rape prisoners with dogs like Israel does? Do they have an organ, drug, and child trafficking racket like Israel? Do they have a litany of failed false flags across 5 continents? Did they atomic bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, enslave and separate people from their children, and ethnically cleanse Native Americans then name football teams after it?
Did they invade a country based on fake intelligence which led to a million deaths? Did Iran support and arm terror groups like Al Qaeda and Isis? Did they starve Cuba to death with humanitarian aid blockades? (Nobody’s talking about this)

No, that was all the United States

But hey we have pride parades so I guess we are moral

Yes, Persia did practice slavery enthusiasticly. Slavery in Persia/Iran was not outlawed until 1929.

..and we did it until 1865. Again, pretending that we are good and moral just because we didn’t something a little longer ago or on a smaller scale bizarre.

Many of our Middle East “allies” practice defacto slavery right now in construction and other industries and we suck up to them like it’s our job.

You explicitly said we were less moral specifically because we engaged in slavery and they did not. You were blatantly wrong on a factual basis and can't have it both ways.

Iran/Persia have never been global Mother Teresa's. That doesn't mean that this war was a good idea but it does mean that your anti-American moral bs, which is eerily similar to the anti-Iranian moral bs, is bs.

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Also notable that the PP *completely* ignores all of Iran’s terrorist proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis) and the mass murders of protesters, just to name a few of the atrocities committed in Iraq for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:No way Iran agrees to a ceasefire. Israel is now killing so many people in Lebanon so regularly that the media has lost interest. Much like it did in Gaza.

This is heartbreaking to me. Like with Gaza I am astounded we are sitting back and letting this happen.

And this time it’s so much worse - everyone is scared to protest based on what happened to protesters last time (remember the Tufts student swept up off the street by unidentified men while she was in the phone with her mom - all for writing an opt ed protesting what Israel was doing in Gaza!). We officially are living under a repressive regime.

You know who's actually scared to protest? Iranian citizens. Can't blame them considering the Iranian regime murdered thousands of them the last time they protested.

[b]Maybe they’re scared to protest because they don’t want the us and Israel to install a shill candidate. They saw the disaster our failed regime changes caused in Iraq, Syria, libya. Do you think these places are better off post Saddam, Gaddafi, Assad? Absolutely not. Anyone well traveled will tell you Baghdad, Damascus, tripoli were excellent worldly cities pre war

Yes, I'm sure that must it. Not being utterly terrified that their insane and authoritarian mullahs will have them mowed down if they dare to protest.

Hey! Don’t throw stones in glass houses. We cannot protest here anymore either. We get SHOT!

How many Iranian protesters have been shot and how many American protesters have been shot?

Is there some acceptable number of protestors being shot or maimed or arrested or fired or jailed that makes you feel like the Trump administration is better than the Iranian leadership?

What’s the ratio?

DP. Here's a better question: tell us exactly why you are so defensive of the Iranian regime and why you feel they're more "moral" (can't believe I just typed that) than the U.S. Don't forget to take into account their brutal jailing and executions of political prisoners, women, homosexuals, etc. We'll wait while you build your insane defense of a terrorist state.

Do they rape prisoners with dogs like Israel does? Do they have an organ, drug, and child trafficking racket like Israel? Do they have a litany of failed false flags across 5 continents? Did they atomic bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, enslave and separate people from their children, and ethnically cleanse Native Americans then name football teams after it?
Did they invade a country based on fake intelligence which led to a million deaths? Did Iran support and arm terror groups like Al Qaeda and Isis? Did they starve Cuba to death with humanitarian aid blockades? (Nobody’s talking about this)

No, that was all the United States

But hey we have pride parades so I guess we are moral

Yes, Persia did practice slavery enthusiasticly. Slavery in Persia/Iran was not outlawed until 1929.

..and we did it until 1865. Again, pretending that we are good and moral just because we didn’t something a little longer ago or on a smaller scale bizarre.

Many of our Middle East “allies” practice defacto slavery right now in construction and other industries and we suck up to them like it’s our job.

You explicitly said we were less moral specifically because we engaged in slavery and they did not. You were blatantly wrong on a factual basis and can't have it both ways.

Iran/Persia have never been global Mother Teresa's. That doesn't mean that this war was a good idea but it does mean that your anti-American moral bs, which is eerily similar to the anti-Iranian moral bs, is bs.

DP. This is disingenuous. You know perfectly well that the scale and scope of slavery in Persia/Iran was substantially different from that of chattel slavery in the Americas (millions versus 100s of thousands, large scale economic dependence versus domestic workers/warriors, permanent/hereditary/race based status versus non-inherited, legal system that explicitly defined slaves as property, designed to keep them enslaved versus legal system that provided ways out, and some protections, etc.). I am not saying Persian slavery was okay or acceptable, just that they are very different things, and the scale and scope of what we did was substantially worse than what they did.

DP. Right, castrating African men and using them as “minders” of Iranian harems was all well and good, amirite? God, your defense of this terrible society is beyond repulsive.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2016/jan/14/african-slavery-in-qajar-iran-in-photos

[Anonymous]

It is pointless to try and compare pre-WW2 evils. All of the significant civilizations in the entire world have closets stuffed with skeletons. It's a minor miracle that so many of us non-blue bloods survived.

Using the past to excuse, enable or justify bad acts today is wrong. So is using those same acts to reflexively criticize.

This war is stupid and unjustified. Both Iran and Israel have engaged in reprehensible acts recently. The United States, Russia, China and the Gulf States are no angels either.

The point of history is to avoid past mistakes and wrongs. Not to justify today's bad acts.

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Anonymous wrote:While you are arguing, 29 billion spent on a pointless war nobody wanted and 3.8% inflation caused by it.
This sucks.

+1 It’s so weird that this thread is like 85% people arguing about Gaza instead of actually discussing this disastrous war.

Some economists looked at the DOD numbers and said it was bullsh#t. The number 25-29 billion is just for normal operational cost for that time. It does not include losses of equipment, munition expenditures, destruction of bases, etc, etc. The real number is in the 150-225 billion range.

What I don't understand is why people seem to think nothing of these costs but then freak out about children getting free medicine, food, and school.

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“Iran says US must accept its peace plan or face 'failure'
Iran’s chief negotiator said on Tuesday that Washington must accept Tehran’s latest peace plan or face failure, after days of warnings from Donald Trump warned the truce is on the brink of collapse.

“There is no alternative but to accept the rights of the Iranian people as laid out in the 14-point proposal. Any other approach will be completely inconclusive; nothing but one failure after another,” Iran’s parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf said in a post on X.

The longer they drag their feet, the more American taxpayers will pay for it.
It comes as the Pentagon revealed that the cost of the war to the US had climbed to nearly $29bn – about $4bn higher than an estimate offered two weeks ago.

Asked how much the impact of the war on Americans’ personal finances factored into his thinking in negotiations with Iran, Donald Trump earlier told reporters on the White House lawn:

Americans’ financial situation ... I don’t think about anybody. I think about one thing. We cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That’s all.””
Source: The Guardian

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Anonymous wrote:While you are arguing, 29 billion spent on a pointless war nobody wanted and 3.8% inflation caused by it.
This sucks.

+1 It’s so weird that this thread is like 85% people arguing about Gaza instead of actually discussing this disastrous war.

Just an utter effing failure. It was horrendously stupid to undertake this but once you’re doing it, maybe actually accomplish something? Anything? Who was picking the targets?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh this’ll fix everything

More like Operation Epic Disaster

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The US never knocked out the missiles or the sites. This is well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:While you are arguing, 29 billion spent on a pointless war nobody wanted and 3.8% inflation caused by it.
This sucks.

+1 It’s so weird that this thread is like 85% people arguing about Gaza instead of actually discussing this disastrous war.

Just an utter effing failure. It was horrendously stupid to undertake this but once you’re doing it, maybe actually accomplish something? Anything? Who was picking the targets?

All this is irrelevant to the powers that be. Namely those who are beholden to Israel's interest. They believe the more this escalates, the better.