Indulge my fantasy - top private vs. Walls

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing. I went to a top SLAC in the 90s, and I bet many of you did too.

I had classmates that had come from Sidwell and similar schools. They were wealthy before they went to Sidwell, wealthy once they graduated from my SLAC and are wealthy now. The Sidwell attendance did not cause the wealth and didn't even really perpetuate it because those kids never earned it and still don't. It just correlated with it. And it also correlated with Ivy League legacy / attendance.

You guys are acting like our actions are the things that cause our kids to have privilege when the privilege or lack thereof predated our choice of school and will live on after we are gone. It's in the way that they talk, the friends that they have and their bank accounts.

My kid has a trust fund. He's going to attend a DCPS school, and it's not going to suddenly rob him of his wealth. He's not the only one who will inherit wealth. None of that was changed or will be changed by his high school attendance choices.

My friends from college who arrived there with upper middle class parents are, by and large, still upper middle class or higher. My friends who arrived at college working class still are to this day. And the ones who arrived with college professor parents, surprise! They are college professors. Some of them are more well known or less so, but their material circumstances haven't changed much based on having gone to a high prestige college. Or Sidwell or Walls. School choice is simply not the determining factor we allege it to be.

Trust fund from … the grandparents? I am guessing you personally do not have the means currently to create a trust. Because that would suggest you have your own cash flow wealth.

And if you did have the means, then it begs reason that you wouldn’t select the superior education. What is more important than education foundation (except health and love)?

NP but lots of wealthy parents choose public schools like Walls over private. There are many reasons for this choice, including wanting their children to not solely be exposed to privileged and other wealthy people.

+100 - we are one of those families and while we are applying to Walls, we prefer the in boundary PS and will likely go there, even if DC gets into Walls. We are also not white, so I think that plays into it. Many of our friends who aren’t white don’t want to go private either.

Have you visited private schools, especially top privates, in the past 2 decades? There is quite a bit of diversity of race. Socioeconomic diversity is what is lacking.

Have not visited privates and have no need for it because we know this… and socioeconomic diversity is just as important as racial diversity to us.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Guess you don't know my DC.

Or me.

Or the multiple Walls parents I can think of off-hand who (including myself) have 2 Ivy+ degrees.

Or the Walls parents who themselves graduated from a Big 3. (Yes, there are some.)

I don't think Walls is perfect, not by a long shot. I think the same about the Big 3, each for different reasons.

This whole "my school is better than your school" is so playground. There is no prize to win here.

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Haha! Sorry - didn't mean to make anyone barf.

I was needled by the PP's condescending comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

Sure I wish I was rich enough that $250k was a drop in the bucket. But I’m telling you that I know people at the highest levels of accomplishment and none went to or sent their kids to private.

Private school I’m sure had benefits … but don’t fool yourself that among those benefits is the most rigorous education or the smartest kids. It’s the most privileged kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

How many national merit semifinalists does Sidwell typically have? Two? Maybe three? It is completely normal for one-third of the entire class at TJ to be semifinalists.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

Sure I wish I was rich enough that $250k was a drop in the bucket. But I’m telling you that I know people at the highest levels of accomplishment and none went to or sent their kids to private.

Private school I’m sure had benefits … but don’t fool yourself that among those benefits is the most rigorous education or the smartest kids. It’s the most privileged kids.

Hardly anyone even applies to the privates because they're so expensive. And the school is forced to favor applicants whose parents can afford to pay full freight. If you were trying to build a school that only accepts the best and the brightest students out there, this, uh, is not how anyone would do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

How many national merit semifinalists does Sidwell typically have? Two? Maybe three? It is completely normal for one-third of the entire class at TJ to be semifinalists.

In a typical year, Sidwell seems to have 6-8 NMSFs, last year was unusually low. Walls is 3-6.

We really shouldn't talk about TJ if we live in the District because it's simply not an option. Completely different playing field and type of students (we all know parents who move to the best suburban school district because schools are their highest life priority. That's very legit IMO. These kids can participate in International Math Olympiad, Robotics competitions,etc, on a level that is not available in DC. The concentration of bright children is different. There NO FAMILY in DC that made their life choice by prioritizing schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

How many national merit semifinalists does Sidwell typically have? Two? Maybe three? It is completely normal for one-third of the entire class at TJ to be semifinalists.

In recent years, anywhere from 6 to 15 NMSF. That’s with 125 graduating seniors. Sidwell also routinely sends nearly 1/2 of its class to Ivy+/T25 universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

How many national merit semifinalists does Sidwell typically have? Two? Maybe three? It is completely normal for one-third of the entire class at TJ to be semifinalists.

In recent years, anywhere from 6 to 15 NMSF. That’s with 125 graduating seniors. Sidwell also routinely sends nearly 1/2 of its class to Ivy+/T25 universities.

Eh, test scores are more impressive to me than where kids go to school because the latter turns a whole lot on family income.

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They don't call it "Sadwell" for nothing.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1181198.page

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1264258.page

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I found this whole thread comical. OP posted the same thing in the private school forum and basically got the opposite advice. We have an 8th grader applying to both privates and Walls and have had this conversation. If we have the choice we will choose private. But I don't believe every family should automatically make that choice. There are students/families that are happy with their choices at both. You have to decide what is best for your student/family.

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Anonymous wrote:I found this whole thread comical. OP posted the same thing in the private school forum and basically got the opposite advice. We have an 8th grader applying to both privates and Walls and have had this conversation. If we have the choice we will choose private. But I don't believe every family should automatically make that choice. There are students/families that are happy with their choices at both. You have to decide what is best for your student/family.

It also maybe doesnt matter all that much which one you choose, at least academically. What really matters is how the kid performs. Admissions officers are not stupid. They're not going to mistake a dumb kid for a smart kid just because they went to Sidwell. As Trump reminds us every day, there are lots of dumb rich kids in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:I found this whole thread comical. OP posted the same thing in the private school forum and basically got the opposite advice. We have an 8th grader applying to both privates and Walls and have had this conversation. If we have the choice we will choose private. But I don't believe every family should automatically make that choice. There are students/families that are happy with their choices at both. You have to decide what is best for your student/family.

I agree it’s funny but it’s not surprising. All the schools under consideration have plenty of selling points, and all have drawbacks. So naturally (and happily!) confirmation bias leads us all to conclude that we made the right choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I found this whole thread comical. OP posted the same thing in the private school forum and basically got the opposite advice. We have an 8th grader applying to both privates and Walls and have had this conversation. If we have the choice we will choose private. But I don't believe every family should automatically make that choice. There are students/families that are happy with their choices at both. You have to decide what is best for your student/family.

I agree it’s funny but it’s not surprising. All the schools under consideration have plenty of selling points, and all have drawbacks. So naturally (and happily!) confirmation bias leads us all to conclude that we made the right choice.

All school debate threads on DCUM are just parents justifying the decision about which school their kids attend that they happened to make.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people on here really saying that the academics at Walls is just as good as Sidwell or GDS?? Sorry but rose colored glasses are not going to help you.

Walls is a like mediocre suburb school at best, not even great but with all the headaches of DCPS.

Your top performing kid will most likely reach their full potential by going to the top privates where there are really high performing motivated kids in an environment of teachers with very high expectations and standards. It’s not going to be easy. They are going to have to work really hard but they will be very well prepared for college and beyond. In addition, they will get small class sizes, more individualized support, and more offerings in curriculum, EC, sports, and facilities, etc…

In contrast, sure your kid will do fine in DCPS at Walls but it is because it is easier, standards are lower, and they will not be pushed to their full potential. You will have to supplement for that. Course offerings are limited and some teachers are checked out and just going thru the motions. Leadership is not good.

If you can’t afford private, then Walls is what you can get. But if you have the funds for private, this should not even be a question to go. If you don’t want to send your kid, just admit OP that you value your vacations or whatever over a better education for your kid. That is fine if that is your priority but let’s be real here.

What is your experience with Walls? Sounds like you are talking based on presumptions, not first-hand knowledge.

People who pay for private are often truly delusional about the quality of public high schools and in denial that the smartest and most ambitious kids generally go to publics. Private schools exist to give privileged kids additional advantages (in terms of grades, connections to college, etc) but absolutely do not have the smartest and best kids. The very top schools like Sidwell are more academic but not “privates” in general.

You are in denial. Sidwell and GDS does have the smartest and best kids. They can come in elementary, middle, or high school. Of course not every kid there is the smartest and best but if you compare the top kids coming out of Sidwell and GDS and what they have gained from their experience in critical thinking, analysis, writing, etc… it is much better than Walls.

Maybe not TJ but for sure Walls.

No it doesn’t. The smartest kids are in the selective public schools which most private school kids don’t stand a chance of getting into.

I don’t think this is true in DC. Maybe in VA (TJ) and NYC (Stuyvesant, Bronx Science etc) but the best test in public schools in DC don’t compare to the best private schools in DC. Also I’m sure most kids who are high performers at Sidwell etc could meet the standard to get into Walls.

They actually do compare in that the best kids at Walls will do just the same if not better as the best kids at Sidwell. And they will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house in their 30s, since that money would not have been wasted on private school tuition.

If OP said she had a $100 mil trust fund who cares. But she is putting money into a luxury instead of into savings if she chooses this route.

🤣 Lol—you think that Walls’ students who turn down spots at private schools “will have a $500k downpayment gift from their parents when they are ready to buy a house”?! You clearly know very little about Walls’ student body. The vast majority of Walls’ families can’t afford to provide even $10k in down payment assistance. Their child is at Walls because it’s “the best” and MOST AFFORDABLE school they were admitted to.

dp - What? You are making stuff up. Rightly or wrongly, many Walls families could pay for private if they wanted.

Many Walls families? Highly unlikely. And we’re talking Sidwell and GDS tuition here, not SJC. There are levels to private schools/tuition.

DP, and I don’t know about Walls, but I know quite a few wealthy families at JR. These are folks who absolutely could have very comfortably afforded Sidwell/GDS type schools (with kids who could have gotten in) and chose JR. My own family could have afforded it (not very comfortably but without huge sacrifice) and never considered it.

Many people don’t want private school. Many people *value* public school.

That’s your reality. Not mine.

What a weird response. I get that there are people who value private school, even if I don’t. Are you saying in your “reality” no one values public school? That it’s not possible that there are people out there with those values even if you don’t know them?

My reality: No one I know, who truly values giving their children the best education possible AND can afford private school, has chosen JR or Walls over Sidwell or GDS. TJ over Sidwell/GDS? Occasionally. But not JR or Walls.

Sounds like you don't know very many people. Also, Sidwell, GDS and all the rest are not even in the same universe as TJ.

lol at the notion that a parent would choose a private over TJ. if they did so, it would specifically be because they wanted their kid to do *less* work and have a *less* rigorous education. Which yes, proves the point that private schools do not and never did have the best and brightest.

These comments are hilarious…and so telling. Public school parents are so envious of the choices (and wealth) private school parents have. I don’t blame you.

P.S. Most parents I know who had the choice between TJ and Sidwell chose Sidwell (even with the commute!).

How many national merit semifinalists does Sidwell typically have? Two? Maybe three? It is completely normal for one-third of the entire class at TJ to be semifinalists.

In recent years, anywhere from 6 to 15 NMSF. That’s with 125 graduating seniors. Sidwell also routinely sends nearly 1/2 of its class to Ivy+/T25 universities.

Eh, test scores are more impressive to me than where kids go to school because the latter turns a whole lot on family income.

The quality/selectivity/prestige of the colleges the student body attends is more important to me. It’s a good thing I can send my children to schools that align with my values. I hope you can too.

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Anonymous wrote:They don't call it "Sadwell" for nothing.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1181198.page

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1264258.page

That’s what the envious and the poors call it. If you can’t criticize the best private school in DC, how will you feel better about your limited educational options? Sidwell families know that nickname is borne from envy. Just like some fans of rival sports teams (from public schools) come to our sporting events and chant, “daddy’s money.” Maybe it is…and it sounds like you wish you had some [shrug].