What’s the different between upper middle class and upper class?

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

I agree with the latter but hanging out with a few tech billionaires is no great shakes either. I hope both of you have actually contributed something meaningful to society aside from a pissing contest regarding whose ancestors or social circle is more prominent. In general, resting on or living vicariously through the accomplishments of others is kind of sad and pathetic. It says more about how meager one’s own contributions are in this life.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

I agree with the latter but hanging out with a few tech billionaires is no great shakes either. I hope both of you have actually contributed something meaningful to society aside from a pissing contest regarding whose ancestors or social circle is more prominent. In general, resting on or living vicariously through the accomplishments of others is kind of sad and pathetic. It says more about how meager one’s own contributions are in this life.

It’s a troll building on another troll. The English dialect they’re using is missing key prepositions.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

I agree with the latter but hanging out with a few tech billionaires is no great shakes either. I hope both of you have actually contributed something meaningful to society aside from a pissing contest regarding whose ancestors or social circle is more prominent. In general, resting on or living vicariously through the accomplishments of others is kind of sad and pathetic. It says more about how meager one’s own contributions are in this life.

It’s a troll building on another troll. The English dialect they’re using is missing key prepositions.

Yes. The bad grammar and 2:30 am post suggested the individual is most likely not a native English speaker nor even living in this country. I find it hilarious that someone who rubs elbows with tech billionaires can find the time to troll a relatively obscure and local mommy forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

I agree with the latter but hanging out with a few tech billionaires is no great shakes either. I hope both of you have actually contributed something meaningful to society aside from a pissing contest regarding whose ancestors or social circle is more prominent. In general, resting on or living vicariously through the accomplishments of others is kind of sad and pathetic. It says more about how meager one’s own contributions are in this life.

It’s a troll building on another troll. The English dialect they’re using is missing key prepositions.

Yes. The bad grammar and 2:30 am post suggested the individual is most likely not a native English speaker nor even living in this country. I find it hilarious that someone who rubs elbows with tech billionaires can find the time to troll a relatively obscure and local mommy forum.

Why? This could just easily be their biglaw scrivener inflating their closeness.

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It's NobEl btw. Noble attempt at bragging but obviously UMC.

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I went on a historic houses tour in Virginia horse country and one thing I noticed is that if you are old money then your grandparents apparently had time for hobbies - traveling to France to learn about painting etc. There was a watercolor on the wall and the house’s owner was like “oh yes that’s by my great grandmother.” Four generations back the ancestors went to college and had expensive hobbies. My grandmother worked in a sweatshop. On the other hand you could also point to the watercolor lady and say she comes from at least four generations of idleness while my ancestors were at least hard working,

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I think one side of my family was old money UC, but I don’t feel like that. My great-great grandmother and her siblings graduated from a prestigious college in the early 1900s, her husband went on to be the dean of another prestigious college, and there are newspaper articles about where they went on vacation and their travels to the UK, etc. I don’t know - maybe it’s not what it seems, but they seemed wealthier then than I am now. Maybe they were just nerds. Ha!

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Anonymous wrote:Based on these responses you can be upper class while earning $100k in investments, sitting on a not for profit board and living extremely modestly. But upper middle while earning $1 million.

We are borderline of UMC and UC. $3m HHI, few properties, can technically retire but cannot maintain current lifestyle without working.

Some people may say we are definitely UC. I consider ourselves UMC.

What is your net worth?

Around $15m, enough to retire but not maintain our lifestyle. We have 3 minor children.

What's your lifestyle and yearly spend? At $15m you could spend >500k/yr forever.

We have 3 kids to pay for college, grad school, weddings, down pays. Yes, we can retire but we are still in our forties and will probably work for another ten years.

The people I consider UC are ones with generational wealth where you don’t have to work. I always tell my kids they aren’t rich because they will have to get a job after college.

We live off of generational wealth but we would never label ourselves UC. Our kids will get the jobs they want without worrying about salary. Most of our families have one stay at home parent, either father or mother so I’ll bet that’s what they do. None of them will buy a home that’s way bigger than they need. None will buy a six figure car. There’s always thought about the next generation.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on these responses you can be upper class while earning $100k in investments, sitting on a not for profit board and living extremely modestly. But upper middle while earning $1 million.

We are borderline of UMC and UC. $3m HHI, few properties, can technically retire but cannot maintain current lifestyle without working.

Some people may say we are definitely UC. I consider ourselves UMC.

What is your net worth?

Around $15m, enough to retire but not maintain our lifestyle. We have 3 minor children.

What's your lifestyle and yearly spend? At $15m you could spend >500k/yr forever.

We have 3 kids to pay for college, grad school, weddings, down pays. Yes, we can retire but we are still in our forties and will probably work for another ten years.

The people I consider UC are ones with generational wealth where you don’t have to work. I always tell my kids they aren’t rich because they will have to get a job after college.

We live off of generational wealth but we would never label ourselves UC. Our kids will get the jobs they want without worrying about salary. Most of our families have one stay at home parent, either father or mother so I’ll bet that’s what they do. None of them will buy a home that’s way bigger than they need. None will buy a six figure car. There’s always thought about the next generation.

Of course you are uc. Be real.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on these responses you can be upper class while earning $100k in investments, sitting on a not for profit board and living extremely modestly. But upper middle while earning $1 million.

We are borderline of UMC and UC. $3m HHI, few properties, can technically retire but cannot maintain current lifestyle without working.

Some people may say we are definitely UC. I consider ourselves UMC.

What is your net worth?

Around $15m, enough to retire but not maintain our lifestyle. We have 3 minor children.

What's your lifestyle and yearly spend? At $15m you could spend >500k/yr forever.

We have 3 kids to pay for college, grad school, weddings, down pays. Yes, we can retire but we are still in our forties and will probably work for another ten years.

The people I consider UC are ones with generational wealth where you don’t have to work. I always tell my kids they aren’t rich because they will have to get a job after college.

We live off of generational wealth but we would never label ourselves UC. Our kids will get the jobs they want without worrying about salary. Most of our families have one stay at home parent, either father or mother so I’ll bet that’s what they do. None of them will buy a home that’s way bigger than they need. None will buy a six figure car. There’s always thought about the next generation.

Of course you are uc. Be real.

PP here. I Disagree. We are very conscious about saving money for the next generations. We also have trustees who make decisions , not like families whose income is $10 million a year. We don’t fly first class, we live in a modest house in a wealthy town so the public schools are very good. We don’t go to high end restaurants, we go to middle class vacation resorts. To not worry about money is a definite plus but that bougie lifestyle is not for us.

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What’s the different between upper middle class and upper class?

The middle

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Anonymous wrote:Based on these responses you can be upper class while earning $100k in investments, sitting on a not for profit board and living extremely modestly. But upper middle while earning $1 million.

We are borderline of UMC and UC. $3m HHI, few properties, can technically retire but cannot maintain current lifestyle without working.

Some people may say we are definitely UC. I consider ourselves UMC.

What is your net worth?

Around $15m, enough to retire but not maintain our lifestyle. We have 3 minor children.

What's your lifestyle and yearly spend? At $15m you could spend >500k/yr forever.

We have 3 kids to pay for college, grad school, weddings, down pays. Yes, we can retire but we are still in our forties and will probably work for another ten years.

The people I consider UC are ones with generational wealth where you don’t have to work. I always tell my kids they aren’t rich because they will have to get a job after college.

We live off of generational wealth but we would never label ourselves UC. Our kids will get the jobs they want without worrying about salary. Most of our families have one stay at home parent, either father or mother so I’ll bet that’s what they do. None of them will buy a home that’s way bigger than they need. None will buy a six figure car. There’s always thought about the next generation.

Of course you are uc. Be real.

PP here. I Disagree. We are very conscious about saving money for the next generations. We also have trustees who make decisions , not like families whose income is $10 million a year. We don’t fly first class, we live in a modest house in a wealthy town so the public schools are very good. We don’t go to high end restaurants, we go to middle class vacation resorts. To not worry about money is a definite plus but that bougie lifestyle is not for us.

You didn't even need to type anything after this. You are UC.

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Anonymous wrote:Upper Class: This is the realm of traditional blue-blooded elites who, although they lack the almost mythical wealth of their higher counterparts, still wield considerable influence. Think of families like the Kennedys and Roosevelts — families who, according to Fussell, are obviously extremely elite but too “public” to be placed in the higher “top out of sight” tier.

Upper Middle Class: This class represents the backbone of educated professionals who, while not possessing the lineage or heritage wealth of the ‘Upper Class’, nonetheless hold significant sway within society. If the ‘Upper Class’ is defined by heritage and wealth, then the ‘Upper Middle Class’ is defined by education. Here, you’ll find a plethora of Ivy League degrees and advanced qualifications. Universities are seen not merely as gateways to professional success but as indispensable institutions for cultural enlightenment and social bonding. As for professions, expect a broad spectrum. They’re your accomplished lawyers, seasoned doctors, university professors, and successful small business owners. Their careers offer more than economic comfort — they command societal respect and intellectual satisfaction. Culturally, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ champions meritocracy and the pursuit of personal growth. They place a high premium on cultural literacy, aesthetic refinement, and intellectual curiosity. In essence, the ‘Upper Middle Class’ values are rooted in achievement through dedication and education rather than inherited status. They are the embodiment of the American dream, where one can rise through the ranks via hard work and intellectual acumen.

Note class is what you're born into, not the money you have. A blue collar plumber who wins the lottery or happens to sell his business for $20 million is still High Proletarian. Now, his kids might level up. That is, no matter how much sheen you put on it, you will find your class markers betraying you even if you become successful and wealthy. For instance, I know some very wealthy and successful people who grew up poor and their very nice and tasteful house is packed with food. Like ridiculous and wasteful amounts of food -- because it's a sign of comfort and of the trauma due to food insecurity that they experienced as children. That's a sure sign that they were born lower middle class or lower.

Most of this sounds straight out of chatgpt, with all the attendant lack of understanding.

Oh please enlighten us on what is misunderstood. This was pulled from notes from Paul Fussell's book, "Class" along with personal anecdotes and recognizing it's a wonderful, albeit dated guide to class distinctions in America. Or perhaps I struck a nerve because it hit too close to home? If it did, then it's probably because you're decidedly middle class and insecure.

Lady white people are about to be a minority in America. The days of the illustrious blue bloods are dated. Dying breed, to be frank. Too many generations now and too much dilution.

Nice that you think that but you are wrong. There will always be UC WASP culture. There is already UC Hispanic culture. The future will mean that there will also be UC American Asian, Persian, Nigerian, etc. People bring their culture with them and adapt it.

I grew up in UC WASP circles - Mayflower, DAR, boarding school, CT, Maine summer compound, NESCAC college, all that good stuff - and it’s definitely dying in my POV.

Nah, YOU are just falling in status, so your line is dying and becoming MC. I’m also WASP - mayflower, DAR, private (not boarding) school. The landscape is evolving as it always has and we are still going strong - we just interact with more diverse circles of UC, where our predecessors were more racist and we are much less so.

Clearly I hit a nerve…

Of course you did! I’m working on it - I know that ‘when god was giving the gift of intelligence he did not see fit to distribute it equally’ - Dale Carnegie. I still get frustrated with overt stupidity like yours.

Cute. Anything else you’d like to add? It must be very hard becoming irrelevant. We’re here to listen.

NESCAC college and mayflower sound cute.
My uncle is a Noble prize recipient; my grandmother a matriarch of a family that produced a large country’s president. The list of my other predecessors/famous family members includes one of the most famous poets of 20th century who killed himself; a nuclear physicist featured in Wikipedia. Everyone beginning my great grandparents had a grad degree or a PhD.
Somehow my US born son is pursuing a hard engineering degree from a solid state university, and it never crossed anyone’s mind to get him an English major at a fancy NESCAC for “connections”.
God save him from these “elite” girls! He’s set to inherit over $150m small empire.

DP but bragging about your ancestors and relatives (and their accomplishments) is pretty low brow. Congrats on being to the manor born. What have YOU accomplished?

Im not a Nobel receipt but achieved for sure more than hanging out with “diverse circles of WASP” at wherever summer compound. Forever grateful to have means to be beyond this mentality. I do hang out with a couple of US tech billionaires; and those that I know also don’t brag about their summer compounds. It would sound incredibly stupid. They discuss the input they want to make into society, maybe someone’s art purchases, romantic life or travels.
When you die, nobody will remember you by the circles you hang out with. That’s such a LC even to brag about !

I agree with the latter but hanging out with a few tech billionaires is no great shakes either. I hope both of you have actually contributed something meaningful to society aside from a pissing contest regarding whose ancestors or social circle is more prominent. In general, resting on or living vicariously through the accomplishments of others is kind of sad and pathetic. It says more about how meager one’s own contributions are in this life.

It’s a troll building on another troll. The English dialect they’re using is missing key prepositions.

Yes. The bad grammar and 2:30 am post suggested the individual is most likely not a native English speaker nor even living in this country. I find it hilarious that someone who rubs elbows with tech billionaires can find the time to troll a relatively obscure and local mommy forum.

I think you might be surprised by who reads and posts here. It's the only anonymous forum of its kind that I've ever seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Based on these responses you can be upper class while earning $100k in investments, sitting on a not for profit board and living extremely modestly. But upper middle while earning $1 million.

We are borderline of UMC and UC. $3m HHI, few properties, can technically retire but cannot maintain current lifestyle without working.

Some people may say we are definitely UC. I consider ourselves UMC.

What is your net worth?

Around $15m, enough to retire but not maintain our lifestyle. We have 3 minor children.

What's your lifestyle and yearly spend? At $15m you could spend >500k/yr forever.

We have 3 kids to pay for college, grad school, weddings, down pays. Yes, we can retire but we are still in our forties and will probably work for another ten years.

The people I consider UC are ones with generational wealth where you don’t have to work. I always tell my kids they aren’t rich because they will have to get a job after college.

We live off of generational wealth but we would never label ourselves UC. Our kids will get the jobs they want without worrying about salary. Most of our families have one stay at home parent, either father or mother so I’ll bet that’s what they do. None of them will buy a home that’s way bigger than they need. None will buy a six figure car. There’s always thought about the next generation.

I think this is typical of people living off of generational wealth who were raised to be good stewards of their family's money. They don't feel entitled to splurge on themselves because they didn't earn it. I don't live off generational wealth, but I benefited from a first-generation UC lifestyle and recognize my privilege. I'm much more careful with money in my marriage than my DH, who grew up poor and pulled himself up by his bootstraps. He feels entitled to spend what he's earned. He's much less worried about future generations. Our kids wouldn't even have 529 plans if I didn't make it happen.