Record number of high schoolers swapping the Ivy League for the SEC thanks to sunshine, campus culture - The Times

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Anonymous wrote:The tours were took in the spring of a few T20s it seemed like Caucasian American kids were a small minority of the overall student body. Indian and Asian were the clear majority, then Jewish, Hispanic, Arabic, and Black American and Nigerian kids. It felt like a UN summit.

This x1000. It was shocking. I get why people are outraged. It is 100% manufactured ratios and keeping out smart, UMC, high achieving kids SOLEY because they are white. They want that DEI. Best thing Trump has ever done is force these schools to scrap their ridiculous DEI efforts. And I am a liberal democrat! DEI just reached the point of absurdity.

My high achieving UMC white kid was accepted at multiple top 15 schools in 2023 (so before the Supreme Court ruling), as were several of his white friends.

No truly high achieving kids of any race are getting kept out of anywhere.

BTW, my kid’s Ivy campus is like 40% white…I find it interesting that someone differentiates Jewish kids who are also Caucasian American white as though they are Amish or some strange sect.

Same. I think many are really clueless or in denial about what high achieving students actually look like. They don’t need to prep for SAT/ACT, hardest classes come easily across all subjects, and that allows lots of time to really pour into extracurriculars and hobbies in meaningful ways. They don’t need to craft a narrative, it’s been a lifetime of just being a curious and engaged learner.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

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People are seriously considering going to any “college” in the Confederacy?!

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

Comparing UVA to Ole Miss isn’t fair and you know it. The better comparison is UVA and UGA.

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I can only speak for myself but it’s stunning how clueless we were about the rest of the country in the 80s and 90s. Social media and YouTube has made kids hyper aware of these colleges and regions before a campus tour. To me as a dumb propagandized high schooler in the 80s, the south seemed a world away, backwater, full of dumb and slow hicks. To kids now, the south is booming and fun, students look happy and attractive, academic programs are world class, merit scholarships can be life changing, and you get sunny weather instead of the cold, snow and grey skies.

What is with parents talking about the attractiveness of students?

World class academics? Really. Trump won with students at Alabama. Proof enough it’s not the place for serious students.

Gross x2

Plenty of writers used to write about how everyone at Yale and Stanford were attractive overachievers; from Fitzgerald a hundred years ago to Ann Coulter and David Brooks 20 years ago.

People instinctively appreciate beauty. People instinctively appreciate happy and confident young adults. There’s a certain energy to these booming southern campuses. Night and day from the gloomy, foreigner-filled campuses in the north and northeast.

I think like this trigger you ruthless striver parents. Y’all know no amount of scamming and helicopter parenting can get your kid into a top tier sorority or fraternity in the south.

Gloomy? foreigner filled? Who's triggered?

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Anonymous wrote:I also hear people say that there are too many immigrants or children of immigrants at Ivy league schools from alot of parents and kids, i hear it from Black and White families to be honest.

The Ivy league testing is a bad way to judge who gets in, in my opinion it should be 50% weighted and 25% leadership, and 25% Extravehicular,

Let's be honest the immigrants who are 35% of the ivy league are great at taking test, but are horrible at applying those skills as leaders in industry

The leaders of Google, Nvidia, Meta’s Super Intelligence group (who sold his company to Meta for $15BN) and countless other companies would disagree.

Folks…you can’t both claim SEC schools are incredible, but then ignore that the most transformative companies in existence are founded, run and filled with grads of the top schools for the most part.

The SEC frenzy started less than ten years ago. Give it time. By the time you’re in a nursing home things will have changed.

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Anonymous wrote:I also hear people say that there are too many immigrants or children of immigrants at Ivy league schools from alot of parents and kids, i hear it from Black and White families to be honest.

The Ivy league testing is a bad way to judge who gets in, in my opinion it should be 50% weighted and 25% leadership, and 25% Extravehicular,

Let's be honest the immigrants who are 35% of the ivy league are great at taking test, but are horrible at applying those skills as leaders in industry

The leaders of Google, Nvidia, Meta’s Super Intelligence group (who sold his company to Meta for $15BN) and countless other companies would disagree.

Folks…you can’t both claim SEC schools are incredible, but then ignore that the most transformative companies in existence are founded, run and filled with grads of the top schools for the most part.

They didn't found those companies

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

In case you’ve been living under a rock…things at UVa have been a $hit show lately. Yes the new gov should fix that, but VA has demonstrated it’s capable of being stupid, so it’s not the north you think it is inside the beltway.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

Comparing UVA to Ole Miss isn’t fair and you know it. The better comparison is UVA and UGA.

Comparison of what? UVA and Michigan probably look more alike by student demographics than UVA and UGA...mainly because UGA restricts OOS students far more than UVA and Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I also hear people say that there are too many immigrants or children of immigrants at Ivy league schools from alot of parents and kids, i hear it from Black and White families to be honest.

The Ivy league testing is a bad way to judge who gets in, in my opinion it should be 50% weighted and 25% leadership, and 25% Extravehicular,

Let's be honest the immigrants who are 35% of the ivy league are great at taking test, but are horrible at applying those skills as leaders in industry

The leaders of Google, Nvidia, Meta’s Super Intelligence group (who sold his company to Meta for $15BN) and countless other companies would disagree.

Folks…you can’t both claim SEC schools are incredible, but then ignore that the most transformative companies in existence are founded, run and filled with grads of the top schools for the most part.

They didn't found those companies

Uh...the Asian CEO of Nvidia was one of its founders...Alexander Wang who sold his company to Meta, did in fact found the company...however, PP didn't mention anything about founding, but in fact just being leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:The parents who comment about attractiveness of students at warm weather schools may be referring to happiness & fitness due to active outdoor lifestyle found at these schools.

This. Don’t make something a problem that isn’t. SEC kids simply take care of themselves and take pride in their appearance. They’re happy and outgoing, all American kids. Again, something that was once the status quo at “top” colleges before they got taken over by dorks.

Good for you genius. You figured out you don't belong in some top "dork" college. Enjoy the SEC.

Aww looks like you’re triggered. Sorry you wouldn’t fit in with the fun, outgoing, fit kids in the SEC. They’ll be married with rich, beautiful families and amazing careers while you’re still coping.

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

For all the talk of "liberals who hate the South" this is also how Southerners view the South. Virginia as a state is bordering Southern to most Southerners, although UVA is in the part that counts.

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I think it speaks to racism in America, they would rather burn the Ivy League down and flood them with Asians, and just go to Sec Schools, rather than see the Ivy league be 15% Black / 15% Hispanic

Speaks more towards their hatred for Black people, but i'm sure they also thought it would increase the White numbers, how long until they sue the Ivy League for the schools discriminating against Whites for Asians

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Anonymous wrote:Generally, the SEC schools offer both a better education and a better experience than public colleges in the Northeast. Most people would choose Georgia or Florida over UMass or Rutgers and so on. It’s not surprising that many students in the Northeast are choosing Southern schools. They are better by every metric over their counterparts up North.

As for Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice - they compete for the same students as the Ivy League. But those three schools seem to be on the upswing when it comes to getting talented students. Whereas most of the Ivy schools seem particularly blah and even miserable these days. The Ivy brand doesn’t have the same cachet it did a generation ago. So more and more top students are valuing campus experience over the name brand of the old Ivy schools. And Duke, Vandy, and Rice are all well known for being fairly happy schools - and that matters for the more well adjusted smart 18 year olds applying to college today.

It's not useful to lump all the SEC schools together in posts such as the one above. There's a HUGE difference in the educational quality and experience at the University of Florida or UGA (e.g., incoming student stats, graduation rates, etc.)than at, say, Mississippi State or University of Arkansas.

Sure. But Texas, Florida, and Georgia are all much better public universities academically than anything in the Northeast. You can also get a very solid education at Texas A&M and Alabama. And I'd argue that South Carolina, Auburn, and Tennessee are still better academically than any public university in the Northeast.

That's a lot of SEC schools.

The Northeastern states dropped the ball when it comes to public education. If you have no chance at Harvard or Brown, why on Earth would any student choose to study at some bleak, desolate public university in the Northeast?

Why are you over focusing on the Northeast? Yes, many of the oldest universities are in the NE and they are private. But the best states for public universities are not in the South: they are California and Virginia, both of which have multiple very strong schools. Nothing else comes close. States that have two strong state schools? Pennsylvania, Michigan and sure now you start getting into some Southern states. New York also has a very good, inexpensive, very under-rated state school system.

This whole premise is ridiculous. Yes, kids who 30 years ago might have gone to the University of New Hampshire now apply to University of Tennessee. Good for them. The only SEC schools that are in competition with Ivies are also PRIVATE.

Funny how DCUM posters deride the South and categorize Virginia as the North. Virginia is 100% the South. Maybe it is deemed an “okay” college option for those liberals in a bubble that hate the South, but Virginia is a southern state. People on here are so arrogant they don’t even realize how idiotic they sound. Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy. I know y’all love the prestige of UVA, but it is Southern.

I think they view the South as a combination of geography and politics.

Considering VA is now 100% blue…every top job and all legislatures…even you would agree that the school demographics of UVA are far different than say Ole’ Miss.

Comparing UVA to Ole Miss isn’t fair and you know it. The better comparison is UVA and UGA.

Comparison of what? UVA and Michigan probably look more alike by student demographics than UVA and UGA...mainly because UGA restricts OOS students far more than UVA and Michigan.

Stop being obtuse.