Horrifying organ donation article

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve participated in dozens of organ donations and harvests mostly through Gift of Life and have never, ever seen someone even remotely under treated or prematurely disconnected because someone else needed their organs.

Far more often someone who wished to donate is prevented from donating by some rule or timing issue.

I’m a donor and will remain one.

-physician

"I make money from harvesting organs! I have never, in my opinion, ever under treated anyone or prematurely disconnected anyone! Of course, that depends on your definition of death ..."

This just shows your ignorance. I’m the PP physician, and have never made a penny from an organ donation nor has any doctor I have ever worked with. First of all, it’s ILLEGAL to sell organs. Hence the word, DONATION. Secondly, academic doctors like me do not get paid on a per patient basis (and if we did there would be more money in keeping people alive than in declaring them dead), we are annually salaried not incentivized by individual cases. Third, brain death is legal death in all 50 states. Determining brain death is a medical reality not a matter of spin or opinion. Declaring someone brain dead who you know is not is tantamount to premeditated murder. Stop making facetious jokes about it.

You are nothing but a corrupted scam artist taking advantage of innocent people. Shame on you for spouting the lies of your sick industry. Our medical mafia has done nothing to truly heal people. The goal is to get us on the most profitable drugs for as long as practical, and then eventually arrange for a “comfortable” demise.
Name one cured disease our zazillions of dollars have paid for. Zip. Only maintenance. More and more of us are discovering how we’ve been scammed. Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve participated in dozens of organ donations and harvests mostly through Gift of Life and have never, ever seen someone even remotely under treated or prematurely disconnected because someone else needed their organs.

Far more often someone who wished to donate is prevented from donating by some rule or timing issue.

I’m a donor and will remain one.

-physician

"I make money from harvesting organs! I have never, in my opinion, ever under treated anyone or prematurely disconnected anyone! Of course, that depends on your definition of death ..."

This just shows your ignorance. I’m the PP physician, and have never made a penny from an organ donation nor has any doctor I have ever worked with. First of all, it’s ILLEGAL to sell organs. Hence the word, DONATION. Secondly, academic doctors like me do not get paid on a per patient basis (and if we did there would be more money in keeping people alive than in declaring them dead), we are annually salaried not incentivized by individual cases. Third, brain death is legal death in all 50 states. Determining brain death is a medical reality not a matter of spin or opinion. Declaring someone brain dead who you know is not is tantamount to premeditated murder. Stop making facetious jokes about it.

You are nothing but a corrupted scam artist taking advantage of innocent people. Shame on you for spouting the lies of your sick industry. Our medical mafia has done nothing to truly heal people. The goal is to get us on the most profitable drugs for as long as practical, and then eventually arrange for a “comfortable” demise.
Name one cured disease our zazillions of dollars have paid for. Zip. Only maintenance. More and more of us are discovering how we’ve been scammed. Enough already.

The secretary of hhs weighs in..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait a minute. Her heart was beating because she had to be on a ventilator, that’s standard of care for a brain dead person. So of course she was “breathing”. The question should be: was she brain dead? That is a very regulated and absolute declaration involving multiple doctors, criteria, etc.

There are not enough brain dead people to supply organs for all the people who need one.
The newer standard being discussed is a person on life support who is not brain dead. They pull the plug, wait for them to die naturally (heart stops)and immediately grab the organs (they have 5 minutes before their condition deteriorates). The problem occurs when they don't die naturally and put a wrench in it.
So now the ghouls who wrote this op-ed want to skip the dying naturally part and declare people dead for practical purposes if they have poor quality of life. Then they can get the organs while they're still useful. This is a violation of the hippocratic oath that might fly in the third world but not here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve participated in dozens of organ donations and harvests mostly through Gift of Life and have never, ever seen someone even remotely under treated or prematurely disconnected because someone else needed their organs.

Far more often someone who wished to donate is prevented from donating by some rule or timing issue.

I’m a donor and will remain one.

-physician

"I make money from harvesting organs! I have never, in my opinion, ever under treated anyone or prematurely disconnected anyone! Of course, that depends on your definition of death ..."

This just shows your ignorance. I’m the PP physician, and have never made a penny from an organ donation nor has any doctor I have ever worked with. First of all, it’s ILLEGAL to sell organs. Hence the word, DONATION. Secondly, academic doctors like me do not get paid on a per patient basis (and if we did there would be more money in keeping people alive than in declaring them dead), we are annually salaried not incentivized by individual cases. Third, brain death is legal death in all 50 states. Determining brain death is a medical reality not a matter of spin or opinion. Declaring someone brain dead who you know is not is tantamount to premeditated murder. Stop making facetious jokes about it.

You are nothing but a corrupted scam artist taking advantage of innocent people. Shame on you for spouting the lies of your sick industry. Our medical mafia has done nothing to truly heal people. The goal is to get us on the most profitable drugs for as long as practical, and then eventually arrange for a “comfortable” demise.
Name one cured disease our zazillions of dollars have paid for. Zip. Only maintenance. More and more of us are discovering how we’ve been scammed. Enough already.

The secretary of hhs weighs in..

You wish. We’re just tired of getting duped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve participated in dozens of organ donations and harvests mostly through Gift of Life and have never, ever seen someone even remotely under treated or prematurely disconnected because someone else needed their organs.

Far more often someone who wished to donate is prevented from donating by some rule or timing issue.

I’m a donor and will remain one.

-physician

"I make money from harvesting organs! I have never, in my opinion, ever under treated anyone or prematurely disconnected anyone! Of course, that depends on your definition of death ..."

This just shows your ignorance. I’m the PP physician, and have never made a penny from an organ donation nor has any doctor I have ever worked with. First of all, it’s ILLEGAL to sell organs. Hence the word, DONATION. Secondly, academic doctors like me do not get paid on a per patient basis (and if we did there would be more money in keeping people alive than in declaring them dead), we are annually salaried not incentivized by individual cases. Third, brain death is legal death in all 50 states. Determining brain death is a medical reality not a matter of spin or opinion. Declaring someone brain dead who you know is not is tantamount to premeditated murder. Stop making facetious jokes about it.

What is ignorant is not reading all the links in this thread. The discussion is about revisiting how people are classified as dead. In the opinion of the author of the second link, the definition of death must be revisited. In the first link, there are many stories of whistleblowers who feel that they have been party to premeditated murder. If you want to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way, please read the articles and then revert.

[Anonymous]

Everyone who is anti-abortion should be forced to be on the transplant list. Because YOUR life isn't what matters, right? It's the possibility of saving ANOTHER life that matters.

So yeah. Every anti-abortion supporter and politician should GLADLY be willing to give their body so that another can live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As for the article, unfortunately all these screwups occurred at what sound like backwater regional or local hospitals in places that don’t seem to understand the criteria or procedures fully. They should not be accredited in the procedure. Look at the places: Alabama, Kentucky, West Virginia, New Mexico, etc. these are runky dink hospitals out of their depth and the real story here is about the massacre disparities in care between better urban and university hospitals vs often crummy little local options.

What is the origin of the doctors you think are working at these hospitals? I know you are imagining a bunch of fat white Maga doctors but that's not the case.

[Anonymous]

As if people don't profit off donation! Unless you donate directly to someone you know, someone is profiting off that donation. Gofundme and Salvation Army are just two examples of companies that make a fortune off of your donations. I never donate through Gofundme because I want every cent of my donation to go to helping a person I know - rather than having 3% go to funding some CEO's boat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve participated in dozens of organ donations and harvests mostly through Gift of Life and have never, ever seen someone even remotely under treated or prematurely disconnected because someone else needed their organs.

Far more often someone who wished to donate is prevented from donating by some rule or timing issue.

I’m a donor and will remain one.

-physician

"I make money from harvesting organs! I have never, in my opinion, ever under treated anyone or prematurely disconnected anyone! Of course, that depends on your definition of death ..."

This just shows your ignorance. I’m the PP physician, and have never made a penny from an organ donation nor has any doctor I have ever worked with. First of all, it’s ILLEGAL to sell organs. Hence the word, DONATION. Secondly, academic doctors like me do not get paid on a per patient basis (and if we did there would be more money in keeping people alive than in declaring them dead), we are annually salaried not incentivized by individual cases. Third, brain death is legal death in all 50 states. Determining brain death is a medical reality not a matter of spin or opinion. Declaring someone brain dead who you know is not is tantamount to premeditated murder. Stop making facetious jokes about it.

You are nothing but a corrupted scam artist taking advantage of innocent people. Shame on you for spouting the lies of your sick industry. Our medical mafia has done nothing to truly heal people. The goal is to get us on the most profitable drugs for as long as practical, and then eventually arrange for a “comfortable” demise.
Name one cured disease our zazillions of dollars have paid for. Zip. Only maintenance. More and more of us are discovering how we’ve been scammed. Enough already.

lol yeah I'm a HUGE scam artist, gee where are my amazing profits again? Oh right, over there with the drug companies who actually own these medicines that I derive absolutely zero incentive from prescribing. And wait, I think I see some over there with the internet influencers who are clearly so much more trustworthy because, if it's on tik tok it must be true. Only maintenance? Did you expect to receive immortality? Do you comprehend how many conditions that are now "only maintenance" were previously "only death"?

Colon cancer: preventable with screening
Diabetes: converted from early death to chronic disease with insulin
Childhood Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia: formerly close to 100% mortality, now single digit mortality with chemotherapy treatment
Infectious diseases too numerous to mention: Curable with antibiotics, antiparasitics, antifungals; others preventable with vaccines
HIV: converted from death sentence to chronic and/or preventable disease with antivirals and pre- and post-exposure prophylaxis
Numerous cancers: curable with surgery, sometimes without even radiation or chemo
Certain forms of ischemic stroke: converted from inevitable profound disability to in some cases minimal or no disability with mechanical thrombectomy and clot-busting drugs
Osteoarthritis: curable with joint replacement.
Heart attacks: deaths averted with defibrillation and cardiac catheterization, plus prevention has increased so much
I could continue all day. The question is so obviously stupid that it doesn't even merit the response I've already given.

But hey, good luck believing a guy who went around saying that COVID-19 virus wasn't real, in the same year it killed 385,000 thousand people and was the third leading cause of death in the USA according to the CDC, which you also probably don't trust or believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Excellent resource.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As if people don't profit off donation! Unless you donate directly to someone you know, someone is profiting off that donation. Gofundme and Salvation Army are just two examples of companies that make a fortune off of your donations. I never donate through Gofundme because I want every cent of my donation to go to helping a person I know - rather than having 3% go to funding some CEO's boat.

This is so deeply sad. If you cannot see past the administrative costs of the organizations that facilitate organ donation (which does not include ANY profit on the part of doctors who take care of dying donors) to the endpoint of a successful life-saving transplant I do not know how to help you. These donations are literally life-saving. Of course the system should operate with 100% perfection and efficiency but how could you even think of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on something so important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Excellent resource.

Troll

[Anonymous]

I prefer physicians who have the integrity to encourage people to make better personal choices that can heal their own bodies.

But, honestly, most physicians don’t even know how, because it would be counterproductive if medical schools promoted health.

The best physicians have to educate themselves. Our current system has resulted in making Americans the sickest in the world. It boggles the mind how we spend the most money, and get the absolute worst results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As if people don't profit off donation! Unless you donate directly to someone you know, someone is profiting off that donation. Gofundme and Salvation Army are just two examples of companies that make a fortune off of your donations. I never donate through Gofundme because I want every cent of my donation to go to helping a person I know - rather than having 3% go to funding some CEO's boat.

This is so deeply sad. If you cannot see past the administrative costs of the organizations that facilitate organ donation (which does not include ANY profit on the part of doctors who take care of dying donors) to the endpoint of a successful life-saving transplant I do not know how to help you. These donations are literally life-saving. Of course the system should operate with 100% perfection and efficiency but how could you even think of throwing out the baby with the bathwater on something so important.

Ummmmm...
Center For Organ Recovery And Education net assets: $136,532,009; Salary: Susan A Stuart (President/Ceo) $626,331+$97,307
Lifegift Organ Donation Center: Net Assets: $72,813,566; Salary: Kevin A Myer (President And Ceo Lifegift) $631,239+$41,59
Indiana Organ Procurement Organization Inc: Net Assets: $65,832,825; Salary: Kellie Tremain (Ceo/President) $728,573 +$55,747

[Anonymous]

See propublica for asset and salary information. The Ways and Means Committee has also found these ghouls using planes purchased for organ transplants as private planes for their holidays. Doc, I appreciate your work and I'm sure you are well-meaning, but organ donation is a very dirty business. https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/RFI-on-Organ-Procurement-Organizations-1.pdf

The USG spent a lot of money trying to understand the Organ donation business - when rumour was that Serbs were taking Kosovaran organs and Chinese were taking Uyghur organs and selling them. In fact, it is happening here too.