Camp Mystic

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Kennedy center is 100 foot tall, about 10 feet about river level and parking lot is 20’feet down.

So draw a water line at 35 feet up the Kennedy center. That would get blasted and then water fans out how it can whilst still barreling in tsunami waves down the river.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO the camp deserves the blame. Other camps in the area started evacuating hours earlier and others ended their sessions a day earlier. The first warning about flooding went out Thursday at 1pm.

Did they? I read camp junta nearby had campers swimming out of their cabins. Luckily everyone ended up safe there.

Are those the only two camps in the area?

The info about other camps getting their campers out is towards the end of the article.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_14b9fbd9-398e-418e-9dc5-04370782cc38.html

Mo Ranch is on lower ground.

The other 2 didn’t end early. That was their normal end of session.

God. The misinformation and judgement.

Can take the discussion to another thread, but this is just like all the misinformation in the world of climate change deniers. For ex., check out J Rogan with Bernie Sanders. The misinformation and disinformation is unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:Mystic did have a night watch and he raised the alarm at 2:00 am according to him. They started moving the lowest lying campers up to the Rec hall at that time. They were still moving kids when the flash flood came at about 4:00am. The two cabins where the kids were swept away were 25 ft up from the edge of the river, near the rec hall. The river has never risen that high before. The water rose more than that in 40 minutes and reached the Rec hall but it thankfully didn’t collapse. By the time they tried to get to other cabins near the rec hall the water was going up incredibly fast and one of the cabin walls collapsed. That was the cabin were all the girls were swept away. They were in the middle of getting the girls from the cabin beside it and rescued most of them but the camp director was swept away with a few girls. There was an interview with the night watchman.

If this account is true (I have no idea) it should not take 2 hours to move children to safety. TWO HOURS!!

I think they thought they had moved them to safety or had moved those who weren’t safe. They didn’t expect the massive storm surge that rose 26’ in 45 minutes. They expected the River to flood as it had flooded before.

Yes, I read the rec hall (?) where the girls were moved to was above the 100 year flood plain, however the water engulfed those buildings anyway.

Those moved to the Rec Hall survived. It was the ones in the cabin not yet relocated to the Rec Hall that did not.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the south and understand camp culture and its importance to many families. I have multiple friends with some association to Camp Mystic as former campers, counselors, etc. It's not my thing, but I get it.

Here's what I don't understand.

This camp - and many camps in that area - have been there for 100 years. This is a big part of the tradition; campers literally stay in the same cabins that their moms, grandmothers, aunts, etc. did. They are not going to up and move the location of the camp. But, given the nature of the river and history of flooding there, why are they not better regulated? Are they inspected for safety, beyond the dining room kitchens? How do they get insurance being situated so close to the river as they are?

It seems to me that any of these privately held camps that host thousands of kids across the course of the summer would pay more attention to safety factors. I'm sure they do some sort of weather drills and training, etc. with their young staffs. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be reviewed and thought through on an annual basis. Why was no one awake that night, all night, watching the weather forecast? The warnings were there and they grew increasingly dire throughout the night. That should be standard operating procedure for any facility like this.

Is it common to have someone literally awake watching the weather forecast at any camp? I'm sure that many of y'all will become experts on the Camp Mystic Safety Manual as soon as it's available.

At the camp I attended there absolutely was a counselor tasked with being up all night for medical emergencies, weather, comms, etc. I’m floored there wasn’t someone looking out.

PP again. A counselor?? That's not good enough. If you have 850 CHILDREN as your responsibility, again sleeping out in the middle of the woods away from serious medical help, etc., for weeks at a time, there damn well should be a full staff of adult security guards.

The more I think about it, this is 100% on the camp. I hope parents are lining up lawsuits.

There were failures at many levels, federal, state, county, and local. A perfect storm.

Not really, there was a break in the federal level which never kicked off what would happen down the line. This fully is the fault of DOGE cuts and those who voted for it.

Here's what Heather Cox Richardson, who IME checks her sources quite carefully, reports:

"Immediately after the catastrophe became apparent, Texas officials began to blame cuts to the National Weather Service (NWS)—part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)—for causing inaccurate forecasts. The “Department of Government Efficiency” cut about 600 staffers from the NWS. After the cuts, the understaffed agency warned that “severe shortages” of meteorologists would hurt weather forecasting.

All five living former directors of the NWS warned in May that the cuts “[leave] the nation’s official weather forecasting entity at a significant deficit…just as we head into the busiest time for severe storm predictions like tornadoes and hurricanes…. Our worst nightmare is that weather forecast offices will be so understaffed that there will be needless loss of life.”

But former NWS officials maintain the forecasts were as accurate as possible and noted the storm escalated abruptly. They told Christopher Flavelle of the New York Times that the problem appeared to be that NWS had lost the staffers who would typically communicate with local authorities to spread the word of dangerous conditions. Molly Taft at Wired confirmed that NWS published flash flood warnings but safety officials didn’t send out public warnings until hours later.

Meanwhile, Kerr County’s most senior elected official, Judge Rob Kelly, focused on local officials, telling Flavelle that the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive and “[t]axpayers won’t pay for it.”

Those NWS-published flash flood warnings are what would have been broadcast on a weather radio, if one had been present.

Thoughts to each and every person affected. Not looking good for TX and for an orange.

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Suppose you're the owner/ operator of a camp that hosts 850 children on site at one time. Don't you think you would spring for a couple of overnight security people at $25 an hour to make sure everything is OK overnight, while all of the children and staff are sleeping??? Or are you OK to just go to sleep in the middle of the woods, away from everything, and hope nothing happens for 6-8 hours?[/b]

This is pretty normal setup from my experience with Girl Scout overnight camps. A camp would typically have a Director, an assistant director, and key staff including an RN, a caretaker, and the senior counselors (adults, usually in their 20s-30s). All of whom would be sleeping on site. It would not be normal to hire overnight security staff to... do what? One adult would stay awake for overnight duty. The lead counselor at each unit would typically stay awake up till midnight, and younger counselors (ages 16-18) typically would be assigned in or near camper tents/cabins.

We had a whistle/car horn emergency signal back in the 1980s. I remember using it once when a camper went missing around 11 PM! 5 long bursts meant we need help... come quickly! There was another system for "Evacuuate camp" and we did practice that, and even marked the spot where we would relocate.

A few security guards would not have helped here, I don't think. There were adult and teen staffers capable of waking girls up and moving them to higher ground IF they had understood the urgent necessity at the outset. I fear they had no idea how fast the water would rise, because again - it was HIGHLY unusual.

MY more recent experience with GS camps in the DC area is that they have a caretaker that lives there year round and keeps an ear on the weather radio. We were moved to the lodge one year due to threat of serious storms and we were grateful for someone to be keeping an eye on things when we didn't have good phone service.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the south and understand camp culture and its importance to many families. I have multiple friends with some association to Camp Mystic as former campers, counselors, etc. It's not my thing, but I get it.

Here's what I don't understand.

This camp - and many camps in that area - have been there for 100 years. This is a big part of the tradition; campers literally stay in the same cabins that their moms, grandmothers, aunts, etc. did. They are not going to up and move the location of the camp. But, given the nature of the river and history of flooding there, why are they not better regulated? Are they inspected for safety, beyond the dining room kitchens? How do they get insurance being situated so close to the river as they are?

It seems to me that any of these privately held camps that host thousands of kids across the course of the summer would pay more attention to safety factors. I'm sure they do some sort of weather drills and training, etc. with their young staffs. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be reviewed and thought through on an annual basis. Why was no one awake that night, all night, watching the weather forecast? The warnings were there and they grew increasingly dire throughout the night. That should be standard operating procedure for any facility like this.

Is it common to have someone literally awake watching the weather forecast at any camp? I'm sure that many of y'all will become experts on the Camp Mystic Safety Manual as soon as it's available.

At the camp I attended there absolutely was a counselor tasked with being up all night for medical emergencies, weather, comms, etc. I’m floored there wasn’t someone looking out.

PP again. A counselor?? That's not good enough. If you have 850 CHILDREN as your responsibility, again sleeping out in the middle of the woods away from serious medical help, etc., for weeks at a time, there damn well should be a full staff of adult security guards.

The more I think about it, this is 100% on the camp. I hope parents are lining up lawsuits.

There were failures at many levels, federal, state, county, and local. A perfect storm.

Not really, there was a break in the federal level which never kicked off what would happen down the line. This fully is the fault of DOGE cuts and those who voted for it.

Here's what Heather Cox Richardson, who IME checks her sources quite carefully, reports:

"Immediately after the catastrophe became apparent, Texas officials began to blame cuts to the National Weather Service (NWS)—part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)—for causing inaccurate forecasts. The “Department of Government Efficiency” cut about 600 staffers from the NWS. After the cuts, the understaffed agency warned that “severe shortages” of meteorologists would hurt weather forecasting.

All five living former directors of the NWS warned in May that the cuts “[leave] the nation’s official weather forecasting entity at a significant deficit…just as we head into the busiest time for severe storm predictions like tornadoes and hurricanes…. Our worst nightmare is that weather forecast offices will be so understaffed that there will be needless loss of life.”

But former NWS officials maintain the forecasts were as accurate as possible and noted the storm escalated abruptly. They told Christopher Flavelle of the New York Times that the problem appeared to be that NWS had lost the staffers who would typically communicate with local authorities to spread the word of dangerous conditions. Molly Taft at Wired confirmed that NWS published flash flood warnings but safety officials didn’t send out public warnings until hours later.

Meanwhile, Kerr County’s most senior elected official, Judge Rob Kelly, focused on local officials, telling Flavelle that the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive and “[t]axpayers won’t pay for it.”

Those NWS-published flash flood warnings are what would have been broadcast on a weather radio, if one had been present.

You lost my when you bring up Heather Cox Richardson. Talk about someone with an agenda to push.

This may all be correct, even partially, but the fact remains that the camp DID KNOW ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE STORM far earlier than they sufficienty reacted to it.

If you can refute anything she says with references, by all means do so.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the south and understand camp culture and its importance to many families. I have multiple friends with some association to Camp Mystic as former campers, counselors, etc. It's not my thing, but I get it.

Here's what I don't understand.

This camp - and many camps in that area - have been there for 100 years. This is a big part of the tradition; campers literally stay in the same cabins that their moms, grandmothers, aunts, etc. did. They are not going to up and move the location of the camp. But, given the nature of the river and history of flooding there, why are they not better regulated? Are they inspected for safety, beyond the dining room kitchens? How do they get insurance being situated so close to the river as they are?

It seems to me that any of these privately held camps that host thousands of kids across the course of the summer would pay more attention to safety factors. I'm sure they do some sort of weather drills and training, etc. with their young staffs. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be reviewed and thought through on an annual basis. Why was no one awake that night, all night, watching the weather forecast? The warnings were there and they grew increasingly dire throughout the night. That should be standard operating procedure for any facility like this.

Is it common to have someone literally awake watching the weather forecast at any camp? I'm sure that many of y'all will become experts on the Camp Mystic Safety Manual as soon as it's available.

At the camp I attended there absolutely was a counselor tasked with being up all night for medical emergencies, weather, comms, etc. I’m floored there wasn’t someone looking out.

PP again. A counselor?? That's not good enough. If you have 850 CHILDREN as your responsibility, again sleeping out in the middle of the woods away from serious medical help, etc., for weeks at a time, there damn well should be a full staff of adult security guards.

The more I think about it, this is 100% on the camp. I hope parents are lining up lawsuits.

There were failures at many levels, federal, state, county, and local. A perfect storm.

Not really, there was a break in the federal level which never kicked off what would happen down the line. This fully is the fault of DOGE cuts and those who voted for it.

Here's what Heather Cox Richardson, who IME checks her sources quite carefully, reports:

"Immediately after the catastrophe became apparent, Texas officials began to blame cuts to the National Weather Service (NWS)—part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)—for causing inaccurate forecasts. The “Department of Government Efficiency” cut about 600 staffers from the NWS. After the cuts, the understaffed agency warned that “severe shortages” of meteorologists would hurt weather forecasting.

All five living former directors of the NWS warned in May that the cuts “[leave] the nation’s official weather forecasting entity at a significant deficit…just as we head into the busiest time for severe storm predictions like tornadoes and hurricanes…. Our worst nightmare is that weather forecast offices will be so understaffed that there will be needless loss of life.”

But former NWS officials maintain the forecasts were as accurate as possible and noted the storm escalated abruptly. They told Christopher Flavelle of the New York Times that the problem appeared to be that NWS had lost the staffers who would typically communicate with local authorities to spread the word of dangerous conditions. Molly Taft at Wired confirmed that NWS published flash flood warnings but safety officials didn’t send out public warnings until hours later.

Meanwhile, Kerr County’s most senior elected official, Judge Rob Kelly, focused on local officials, telling Flavelle that the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive and “[t]axpayers won’t pay for it.”

Those NWS-published flash flood warnings are what would have been broadcast on a weather radio, if one had been present.

You lost my when you bring up Heather Cox Richardson. Talk about someone with an agenda to push.

This may all be correct, even partially, but the fact remains that the camp DID KNOW ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE STORM far earlier than they sufficienty reacted to it.

If you can refute anything she says with references, by all means do so.

Well for one thing we’re talking about two related but different things. This thread is about the camp and who was or wasn’t enough on alert there. She is talking about the entire area.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

The cabins that held the missing young girls were part of a section of buildings that were higher than some of the lower-lying cabins, which they had evacuated first. The younger girl cabins are where they are because they are closest to the directors, staff, offices and dining hall. They were in the middle of being evacuated when the water hit. The oldest girls are up on a higher section. Historically the water had not ever reached any of those buildings.

The cabin in question has been repeatedly shown on the news. It is not very far from the river, even if others are “closer.” Everyone should have evacuated together, not in some weird hierarchy. Or better yet, they should have slept somewhere up by the older girls. They literally call this area “flash flood alley.”

It’s easy to look back and say should haves, but this cabin was 15’ above the river and several hundred (I believe 275’) back from the bank. It seemed safe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the south and understand camp culture and its importance to many families. I have multiple friends with some association to Camp Mystic as former campers, counselors, etc. It's not my thing, but I get it.

Here's what I don't understand.

This camp - and many camps in that area - have been there for 100 years. This is a big part of the tradition; campers literally stay in the same cabins that their moms, grandmothers, aunts, etc. did. They are not going to up and move the location of the camp. But, given the nature of the river and history of flooding there, why are they not better regulated? Are they inspected for safety, beyond the dining room kitchens? How do they get insurance being situated so close to the river as they are?

It seems to me that any of these privately held camps that host thousands of kids across the course of the summer would pay more attention to safety factors. I'm sure they do some sort of weather drills and training, etc. with their young staffs. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be reviewed and thought through on an annual basis. Why was no one awake that night, all night, watching the weather forecast? The warnings were there and they grew increasingly dire throughout the night. That should be standard operating procedure for any facility like this.

Is it common to have someone literally awake watching the weather forecast at any camp? I'm sure that many of y'all will become experts on the Camp Mystic Safety Manual as soon as it's available.

At the camp I attended there absolutely was a counselor tasked with being up all night for medical emergencies, weather, comms, etc. I’m floored there wasn’t someone looking out.

PP again. A counselor?? That's not good enough. If you have 850 CHILDREN as your responsibility, again sleeping out in the middle of the woods away from serious medical help, etc., for weeks at a time, there damn well should be a full staff of adult security guards.

The more I think about it, this is 100% on the camp. I hope parents are lining up lawsuits.

There were failures at many levels, federal, state, county, and local. A perfect storm.

Not really, there was a break in the federal level which never kicked off what would happen down the line. This fully is the fault of DOGE cuts and those who voted for it.

Here's what Heather Cox Richardson, who IME checks her sources quite carefully, reports:

"Immediately after the catastrophe became apparent, Texas officials began to blame cuts to the National Weather Service (NWS)—part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)—for causing inaccurate forecasts. The “Department of Government Efficiency” cut about 600 staffers from the NWS. After the cuts, the understaffed agency warned that “severe shortages” of meteorologists would hurt weather forecasting.

All five living former directors of the NWS warned in May that the cuts “[leave] the nation’s official weather forecasting entity at a significant deficit…just as we head into the busiest time for severe storm predictions like tornadoes and hurricanes…. Our worst nightmare is that weather forecast offices will be so understaffed that there will be needless loss of life.”

But former NWS officials maintain the forecasts were as accurate as possible and noted the storm escalated abruptly. They told Christopher Flavelle of the New York Times that the problem appeared to be that NWS had lost the staffers who would typically communicate with local authorities to spread the word of dangerous conditions. Molly Taft at Wired confirmed that NWS published flash flood warnings but safety officials didn’t send out public warnings until hours later.

Meanwhile, Kerr County’s most senior elected official, Judge Rob Kelly, focused on local officials, telling Flavelle that the county did not have a warning system because such systems are expensive and “[t]axpayers won’t pay for it.”

Those NWS-published flash flood warnings are what would have been broadcast on a weather radio, if one had been present.

You lost my when you bring up Heather Cox Richardson. Talk about someone with an agenda to push.

This may all be correct, even partially, but the fact remains that the camp DID KNOW ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE STORM far earlier than they sufficienty reacted to it.

If you can refute anything she says with references, by all means do so.

DP here. As someone who largely agrees with Heather Cox Richardson politically, I find her extremely off-putting. I just do not like her tone or her writing style at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IMO the camp deserves the blame. Other camps in the area started evacuating hours earlier and others ended their sessions a day earlier. The first warning about flooding went out Thursday at 1pm.

Did they? I read camp junta nearby had campers swimming out of their cabins. Luckily everyone ended up safe there.

Are those the only two camps in the area?

The info about other camps getting their campers out is towards the end of the article.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_14b9fbd9-398e-418e-9dc5-04370782cc38.html

Mo Ranch is on lower ground.

The other 2 didn’t end early. That was their normal end of session.

God. The misinformation and judgement.

Of course, there is going to be judgement. Over 80 people lost their lives, including many young children.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, historically a good number of these oldest camps have not been particularly religious, including Mystic. I was surprised to see it described as that in the media but then I saw that they even have that word on their website and social media now. In decades past they have been "Christian" like TCU or SMU are "Christian".

There are other much more faith-based camps in the area that are funded by church organizations, etc.

True, but as a Jew, I wouldn't send my kid there....

My girls go to a Christian camp in NC. I believe it’s technically Baptist but don’t even know - it’s just southern Christian and much more religious than we are. We are catholic, but many of my oldest daughter’s friends there are Jewish. The girls don’t care - they just like the camaraderie and the traditions. I could tell my dd its Jewish and it would all be the same to her bc its more about morals and bonding. It’s the only time of the year that she actually goes to some type of religious service (on sundays, outside by the lake) and says prayers before meals. I don’t care what religion it is, honestly, it’s the best couple of weeks of the year for my girls. The focus is on being a good person not the specific religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, historically a good number of these oldest camps have not been particularly religious, including Mystic. I was surprised to see it described as that in the media but then I saw that they even have that word on their website and social media now. In decades past they have been "Christian" like TCU or SMU are "Christian".

There are other much more faith-based camps in the area that are funded by church organizations, etc.

Maybe trying to appeal to a certain demographic.

Eww.

Oh please, don’t jump to conclusions. It could also be so someone like the Jewish poster who said she wouldn’t send her kids to a Christian camp wouldn’t feel mislead

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Anonymous wrote:Also, historically a good number of these oldest camps have not been particularly religious, including Mystic. I was surprised to see it described as that in the media but then I saw that they even have that word on their website and social media now. In decades past they have been "Christian" like TCU or SMU are "Christian".

There are other much more faith-based camps in the area that are funded by church organizations, etc.

True, but as a Jew, I wouldn't send my kid there....

My girls go to a Christian camp in NC. I believe it’s technically Baptist but don’t even know - it’s just southern Christian and much more religious than we are. We are catholic, but many of my oldest daughter’s friends there are Jewish. The girls don’t care - they just like the camaraderie and the traditions. I could tell my dd its Jewish and it would all be the same to her bc its more about morals and bonding. It’s the only time of the year that she actually goes to some type of religious service (on sundays, outside by the lake) and says prayers before meals. I don’t care what religion it is, honestly, it’s the best couple of weeks of the year for my girls. The focus is on being a good person not the specific religion.

You might be ok with it, but as a Jewish family, I agree with the family who said they wouldn't send their kids to a camp like that as we wouldn't. We are technically a mixed family and I looked at Catholic schools and my child was very uncomfortable with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, historically a good number of these oldest camps have not been particularly religious, including Mystic. I was surprised to see it described as that in the media but then I saw that they even have that word on their website and social media now. In decades past they have been "Christian" like TCU or SMU are "Christian".

There are other much more faith-based camps in the area that are funded by church organizations, etc.

True, but as a Jew, I wouldn't send my kid there....

My girls go to a Christian camp in NC. I believe it’s technically Baptist but don’t even know - it’s just southern Christian and much more religious than we are. We are catholic, but many of my oldest daughter’s friends there are Jewish. The girls don’t care - they just like the camaraderie and the traditions. I could tell my dd its Jewish and it would all be the same to her bc its more about morals and bonding. It’s the only time of the year that she actually goes to some type of religious service (on sundays, outside by the lake) and says prayers before meals. I don’t care what religion it is, honestly, it’s the best couple of weeks of the year for my girls. The focus is on being a good person not the specific religion.

Greystone?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm from the south and understand camp culture and its importance to many families. I have multiple friends with some association to Camp Mystic as former campers, counselors, etc. It's not my thing, but I get it.

Here's what I don't understand.

This camp - and many camps in that area - have been there for 100 years. This is a big part of the tradition; campers literally stay in the same cabins that their moms, grandmothers, aunts, etc. did. They are not going to up and move the location of the camp. But, given the nature of the river and history of flooding there, why are they not better regulated? Are they inspected for safety, beyond the dining room kitchens? How do they get insurance being situated so close to the river as they are?

It seems to me that any of these privately held camps that host thousands of kids across the course of the summer would pay more attention to safety factors. I'm sure they do some sort of weather drills and training, etc. with their young staffs. But this is the kind of thing that needs to be reviewed and thought through on an annual basis. Why was no one awake that night, all night, watching the weather forecast? The warnings were there and they grew increasingly dire throughout the night. That should be standard operating procedure for any facility like this.

Is it common to have someone literally awake watching the weather forecast at any camp? I'm sure that many of y'all will become experts on the Camp Mystic Safety Manual as soon as it's available.

At the camp I attended there absolutely was a counselor tasked with being up all night for medical emergencies, weather, comms, etc. I’m floored there wasn’t someone looking out.

PP again. A counselor?? That's not good enough. If you have 850 CHILDREN as your responsibility, again sleeping out in the middle of the woods away from serious medical help, etc., for weeks at a time, there damn well should be a full staff of adult security guards.

The more I think about it, this is 100% on the camp. I hope parents are lining up lawsuits.

There were failures at many levels, federal, state, county, and local. A perfect storm.

Not really, there was a break in the federal level which never kicked off what would happen down the line. This fully is the fault of DOGE cuts and those who voted for it.

Everything I’ve read says the NWS did everything right.