Camp Mystic

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

And yet you've now spent multiple pages on a post about 27 dead 8 and 9 year olds arguing about the phrase "cry to sleep." Who has made this about themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

The cabins that held the missing young girls were part of a section of buildings that were higher than some of the lower-lying cabins, which they had evacuated first. The younger girl cabins are where they are because they are closest to the directors, staff, offices and dining hall. They were in the middle of being evacuated when the water hit. The oldest girls are up on a higher section. Historically the water had not ever reached any of those buildings.

The cabin in question has been repeatedly shown on the news. It is not very far from the river, even if others are “closer.” Everyone should have evacuated together, not in some weird hierarchy. Or better yet, they should have slept somewhere up by the older girls. They literally call this area “flash flood alley.”

No. Unfortunately I think you're imagining a quiet and calm evacuation in advance of an event. Not shuttling children to high ground with water rising by the foot in seconds in the pitch dark up a slope and with the usual paths and ways of walking to landmarks washed out or blocked.

Well putting aside that the orderly evacuation should have happened the night before, I can’t imagine making a cabin stay put while others were leaving, telling them their turn was next.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

OP here -

STOP . Stop the hate. We all know grief affects everyone differently. stop being so mean. Stop hating.

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

And yet you've now spent multiple pages on a post about 27 dead 8 and 9 year olds arguing about the phrase "cry to sleep." Who has made this about themselves?

Can we just use reasonable and precise language please? Words have meaning. This isn’t a TikTok.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

OP here -

STOP . Stop the hate. We all know grief affects everyone differently. stop being so mean. Stop hating.

Your thread will be locked, just like the other one. There was no point in starting a new one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

STOP!!!! move on if you can’t handle people comforting each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

And yet you've now spent multiple pages on a post about 27 dead 8 and 9 year olds arguing about the phrase "cry to sleep." Who has made this about themselves?

Can we just use reasonable and precise language please? Words have meaning. This isn’t a TikTok.

NP. I did not cry myself to sleep about this last night because I only started reading about the details this morning. I did cry myself to sleep after Uvalde. Literally, not figuratively.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

STOP!!!! move on if you can’t handle people comforting each other.

That’s…not what is happening here. Or on any of the other threads on the topic that already exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

And yet you've now spent multiple pages on a post about 27 dead 8 and 9 year olds arguing about the phrase "cry to sleep." Who has made this about themselves?

Can we just use reasonable and precise language please? Words have meaning. This isn’t a TikTok.

But…what if she actually cried herself to sleep? That’s precise. And such a response seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

The cabins that held the missing young girls were part of a section of buildings that were higher than some of the lower-lying cabins, which they had evacuated first. The younger girl cabins are where they are because they are closest to the directors, staff, offices and dining hall. They were in the middle of being evacuated when the water hit. The oldest girls are up on a higher section. Historically the water had not ever reached any of those buildings.

The cabin in question has been repeatedly shown on the news. It is not very far from the river, even if others are “closer.” Everyone should have evacuated together, not in some weird hierarchy. Or better yet, they should have slept somewhere up by the older girls. They literally call this area “flash flood alley.”

No. Unfortunately I think you're imagining a quiet and calm evacuation in advance of an event. Not shuttling children to high ground with water rising by the foot in seconds in the pitch dark up a slope and with the usual paths and ways of walking to landmarks washed out or blocked.

Well putting aside that the orderly evacuation should have happened the night before, I can’t imagine making a cabin stay put while others were leaving, telling them their turn was next.

We don't know the details yet of how that worked, but I'm sure no one said "wait here in danger." I'm assuming it was a chaotic dark night and that it was hard to imagine the waters would get up to the next level of cabins as quickly as it did. No responsible adult makes the decision for people to wait in danger. It's quite possible that it is similar to when people were evacuating the World Trade Center in 2001 and people were told to wait at their emergency gathering spots versus evacuating completely under the assumption that the disaster was a "normal" one versus what we know it was in hindsight. We can't imagine the unimaginable until it happens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

I think it is normal. To be unaffected by tragedy is not normal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

WHO CARES? I cannot believe posters are fixated on their data point of one being about whether it's normal or not to cry.

There are little 8 year old girls, dead in mud somewhere. There are counselors, who just graduated from high school, either dead or waiting to be found. There are other people, who weren't at the camp also missing. Drowning is a terrible way to die. Get some perspective.

It’s not the crying. It’s the stupid hyperbole. The original PP did NOT actually cry herself TO SLEEP. She’s just an insufferable drama queen who makes everything about her.

Reporting you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s quite shocking, looking at how close and flat to the river those cabins were, that no one at the camp or local authorities ever envisioned this might happen. Would require a stunning lack of imagination on all parts.

The cabins that held the missing young girls were part of a section of buildings that were higher than some of the lower-lying cabins, which they had evacuated first. The younger girl cabins are where they are because they are closest to the directors, staff, offices and dining hall. They were in the middle of being evacuated when the water hit. The oldest girls are up on a higher section. Historically the water had not ever reached any of those buildings.

The cabin in question has been repeatedly shown on the news. It is not very far from the river, even if others are “closer.” Everyone should have evacuated together, not in some weird hierarchy. Or better yet, they should have slept somewhere up by the older girls. They literally call this area “flash flood alley.”

No. Unfortunately I think you're imagining a quiet and calm evacuation in advance of an event. Not shuttling children to high ground with water rising by the foot in seconds in the pitch dark up a slope and with the usual paths and ways of walking to landmarks washed out or blocked.

Well putting aside that the orderly evacuation should have happened the night before, I can’t imagine making a cabin stay put while others were leaving, telling them their turn was next.

We don't know the details yet of how that worked, but I'm sure no one said "wait here in danger." I'm assuming it was a chaotic dark night and that it was hard to imagine the waters would get up to the next level of cabins as quickly as it did. No responsible adult makes the decision for people to wait in danger. It's quite possible that it is similar to when people were evacuating the World Trade Center in 2001 and people were told to wait at their emergency gathering spots versus evacuating completely under the assumption that the disaster was a "normal" one versus what we know it was in hindsight. We can't imagine the unimaginable until it happens.

I was responding to the person directly above me who wrote:

“ The cabins that held the missing young girls were part of a section of buildings that were higher than some of the lower-lying cabins, which they had evacuated first.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

OP here -

STOP . Stop the hate. We all know grief affects everyone differently. stop being so mean. Stop hating.

Your thread will be locked, just like the other one. There was no point in starting a new one.

Except here its someone petty about the use of "crying to sleep" as opposed to politics. OMG. Can we just focus on the fact that little girls were swept away?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's affecting me more than I thought it would. My 9 year old daughter got home from 3 weeks at camp this weekend and I cried myself to sleep last night thinking about if she was one of the girls at Mystic.

It doesn't change my mind about sending her to camp -- there's so much good that comes from it to forgo it for a statistically rare event (just like I keep sending my kid to school despite the very statistically rare event of school shootings) but its just so so awful.

I hope this is hyperbole. If not, it’s not a normal reaction.

Yes it is very much "normal" you must not have a kid. -DP

1000%. My very alpha husband teared up reading the latest last night too. When you have kids the same age, and it’s a small world with lots of friends of friends stories coming through, it is the normal human response.

DP, tearing up, or crying while you see the news story, or even crying for a few minutes later as you think about it, is very different than crying yourself to sleep.

OP here -

STOP . Stop the hate. We all know grief affects everyone differently. stop being so mean. Stop hating.

Your thread will be locked, just like the other one. There was no point in starting a new one.

Except here its someone petty about the use of "crying to sleep" as opposed to politics. OMG. Can we just focus on the fact that little girls were swept away?

What is there to focus on? It happened. It was a huge heartbreaking tragedy. It probably could and should have been prevented. Survivors will be scarred for life and families irretrievably broken.

What else is there to discuss?