As a Jew, I’m terrified

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

DP The DC attack was on Israeli officials. Israel has attacked many governmental officials including bombing embassies of countries throughout the Middle East. If Israel targets government officials and embassy employees why do you think the countries you have attacked will not do the same to you?

Let’s look at the bigger issue. Israel has attacked and killed 50k-100k innocent Palestinians civilians(men, women and children) because under a 100 fighter almost over ran Israel on Oct 7. This is collective punishment of a civilian population. Why should Hamas, Hezbollah or any belligerents of Israel be held to a different standard vs what Israel does to civilians? Live by the sword die by the sword. Bomb and kill innocent civilians and they will do the same to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: the new US war frustrates Americans because many thought Trump was going to be the America first isolationist president who ends the wars in Ukraine and returns all the hostages back and finds some solution to the Israel Gaza war. Instead, we are now embroiled in new conflict with Iran and it doesn’t even seem like Trump had a choice. He was dragged in by Bibi

Anyone who thinks the above is a dumbsh*t.

also this thread is about antisemitism so what is your point exactly

How is it dumb when trump was in literal peace talks with Iran and made a searing speech against neocons in Saudi Arabia back in May?

Netanyahu realized time is possibly up and he made the decision to bomb iran against his own cabinet’s advice

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

DP The DC attack was on Israeli officials. Israel has attacked many governmental officials including bombing embassies of countries throughout the Middle East. If Israel targets government officials and embassy employees why do you think the countries you have attacked will not do the same to you?

Let’s look at the bigger issue. Israel has attacked and killed 50k-100k innocent Palestinians civilians(men, women and children) because under a 100 fighter almost over ran Israel on Oct 7. This is collective punishment of a civilian population. Why should Hamas, Hezbollah or any belligerents of Israel be held to a different standard vs what Israel does to civilians? Live by the sword die by the sword. Bomb and kill innocent civilians and they will do the same to you.

How did I know you would come here and practically celebrate the recent antisemitic attacks? Literally there is no incident of antisemitism that you would think was any cause for concern. Not even murder and firebombing.

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Anonymous wrote: the new US war frustrates Americans because many thought Trump was going to be the America first isolationist president who ends the wars in Ukraine and returns all the hostages back and finds some solution to the Israel Gaza war. Instead, we are now embroiled in new conflict with Iran and it doesn’t even seem like Trump had a choice. He was dragged in by Bibi

Anyone who thinks the above is a dumbsh*t.

also this thread is about antisemitism so what is your point exactly

How is it dumb when trump was in literal peace talks with Iran and made a searing speech against neocons in Saudi Arabia back in May?

Netanyahu realized time is possibly up and he made the decision to bomb iran against his own cabinet’s advice

Anyone who believed Trump is some kind of master diplomat except that he got hypnotized by Evil Zionists is not really worth listening to.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

DP The DC attack was on Israeli officials. Israel has attacked many governmental officials including bombing embassies of countries throughout the Middle East. If Israel targets government officials and embassy employees why do you think the countries you have attacked will not do the same to you?

Let’s look at the bigger issue. Israel has attacked and killed 50k-100k innocent Palestinians civilians(men, women and children) because under a 100 fighter almost over ran Israel on Oct 7. This is collective punishment of a civilian population. Why should Hamas, Hezbollah or any belligerents of Israel be held to a different standard vs what Israel does to civilians? Live by the sword die by the sword. Bomb and kill innocent civilians and they will do the same to you.

The people who were murdered had no connection to a terror regime, which is more than can be said for the surgical elimination of Iranian military, IRGC and scientific personnel. Kind of like Hamas targeted people at a music festival, not anyone posing any kind of threat to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: the new US war frustrates Americans because many thought Trump was going to be the America first isolationist president who ends the wars in Ukraine and returns all the hostages back and finds some solution to the Israel Gaza war. Instead, we are now embroiled in new conflict with Iran and it doesn’t even seem like Trump had a choice. He was dragged in by Bibi

Trump has been talking about bombing Iran for years, and if he didn’t want to help Bibi, he could have just not done it. No one dragged anyone, and he had a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

DP The DC attack was on Israeli officials. Israel has attacked many governmental officials including bombing embassies of countries throughout the Middle East. If Israel targets government officials and embassy employees why do you think the countries you have attacked will not do the same to you?

Let’s look at the bigger issue. Israel has attacked and killed 50k-100k innocent Palestinians civilians(men, women and children) because under a 100 fighter almost over ran Israel on Oct 7. This is collective punishment of a civilian population. Why should Hamas, Hezbollah or any belligerents of Israel be held to a different standard vs what Israel does to civilians? Live by the sword die by the sword. Bomb and kill innocent civilians and they will do the same to you.

The shooter in D.C. was not “Hamas, Hezbollah or any belligerent of Israel,” he was a random dude who decided to act on his own. And he had no way of knowing that the people he shot were Israeli embassy officials; the event was not an embassy event, he just got lucky. There’s been no credible evidence shown that he specifically targeted these people. So even if we grant you that when one side in a war does horrible things, that means it’s fine for the other side to do it, which isn’t actually a moral code I want to endorse, this incident doesn’t seem to be an example of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very Jew I know follows Noa Tishby

I follow a lot of people I don’t agree with, fwiw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never understood Jewish support for Trump. He admires Hitler, has shared beliefs and rhetoric, and followed the same playbook. He hired white supremacists and they were his base. Why would you support a man just like him just because a different ethic group was his target? It was appalling, actually.

There is not very much Jewish support for Trump. Only Orthodox Jews vote majority Republican, because of Israel. Conservative, Reform, secular Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

I think the US has dealt well with those cases and people have a lot of sympathy for them. I don't see what this has to do with disliking what our Country and Israel is doing in the middle east. Most of us feel that if Israel behaved better towards the rest of the world, than people here would be in less of an easy target.

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Anonymous wrote:I never understood Jewish support for Trump. He admires Hitler, has shared beliefs and rhetoric, and followed the same playbook. He hired white supremacists and they were his base. Why would you support a man just like him just because a different ethic group was his target? It was appalling, actually.

Those things are irrelevant to Zionists as long as their greater goals are met.

I mean just look at history - the Zionists are Nazis had a long history of collaboration, most notably the Haavara agreement.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Well, at least you don’t have to worry that a bomb can drop any time and kill your entire family or that your child will be shot in the head as a target.

So count your blessings.

NP. I agree with this sentiment. I am done with centering the theoretical fears of Jewish Americans with safe lives, over the reality lived by people in the Middle East of the support given to Israel and American policy over my entire life. It’s also a real lie IMO to pretend that the average American Jew anywhere in this country has objective reason for fear of being targeted in comparison to any Muslim here.

Two Jewish people were shot by an antisemite in DC last month. A group of Jews were firebombed in Colorado. A suspicious man with a knife shouted antisemitic slurs outside of a DC area Jewish school. My own congregation in DC had someone should antisemitic slurs outside recently.

Since when is it OK to tell people they shouldn’t talk about the bias & hate crimes they face? Your absurd progressive verbiage about “centering” and “lived experience” aside. i

I’m not saying it’s ok for Jews to be targeted when they’re doing Jewish things. But the murders in DC were specifically related to the Israeli embassy and the incident in Colorado was specifically related to the Israeli hostages. (I think it’s really coming off as tone deaf at this point to be constantly talking about the hostages if you’re not also actively criticizing Netanyahu considering the death toll.)

I’m Jewish but secular and don’t really participate in Jewish activities. I feel no sense of threat. Nobody needs to know I’m Jewish unless I tell them. (If my last name was Goldstein, probably be harder.)

It’s not good for Jews to feel afraid to express their Jewishness. I feel no guilt over Israel. I’ve never even visited Israel. I’ve long thought it was a mess. It’s not MY mess. I’m an American. I vote for America. I make choices as an American.

But to say I am “terrified” to be a secular Jew? Why? I go to anti Trump protests and there are a lot of free Palestine protestors there. Personally, I keep my (generally negative feelings) about Israel’s choices to myself or amongst other Jews. So I don’t need to say anything when people chant free Palestine. Nobody bothers me. I had a Jewish friend with me at one and she started to get upset and I said shut up. Not the place. Don’t get into it here.

It’s definitely a weird time to be a Jew, especially if you’re intersectional with other targeted groups. But terrified? There are definitely groups being targeted in the US. My kid is one of them. But if you’re just a Jew living your life nobody needs to know unless you want them to know.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish people always make everything about them

It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

Normally I flag this stuff but leaving it up for proof that DCUM is chock full of antisemites

Did you read the piece before crying antisemitism. NYT isn’t exactly an anti-Semitic hotbed. I thought it was interesting and actually very relevant.

What about posting this piece proves DCUM is anti-Semitic? Or is that just your reflexive reaction? And if so, isn’t that a problem?

This is what the article actually says:

“is always capable of regaining its full and deadly form even when it is apparently dormant or weakened. All it needs is a pretext, and any pretext will do. If the Israeli-Palestinian conflict didn’t exist, it would attach itself to something else; but it does exist, and anti-Semitism couldn’t be happier.”

and this is what you said

“Jews always make everything about themselves”

Everybody makes everything about themselves. People generally only really care about things when it affects them personally. You just have to be breathing to see this. People voted for an autocrat because they wanted cheaper eggs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

What is your opinion of AIPAC, OP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should be.

Some might call what I'm about to write "antisemitic" but hiding behind that sneaky get out of jail free card isn't going to work anymore. I'm married to a Jewish man related to Israel lobbyists, so I have a front row seat to the callousness, racism, and greed of these people. OP, they're going to make collateral damage of Jews like you and they'll think it's all worth it to serve Israel.

Israel is a war mongering apartheid state that is parasitizing America. It could not continue its evil with impunity without the collusion of powerful American Jews whose loyalties lie with the Zionist project, rather than America. American Jews like Steve Miller and Bill Ackman are even targeting American kids on college campuses to silence them about Israel's evil.

The way Israel has consistently puppeteered American politicians to the detriment of Americans--with the collusion of monied American Jews, the genocide Israel is perpetrating--with the collusion of America Jews, the many Americans Israel has gotten killed and now will get killed thanks to the war it started with Iran--with the collusion of American Jews--all calls for a reckoning.

The anger is hardening and a well-deserved backlash is coming. It's not your imagination.

Nonetheless Iran cannot have nukes. That is the root of this.