Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

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Anonymous wrote:This policy is going to have the biggest effect on children. Parents used to be able to spend good quality time with them, take them to sports (and coach!), have dinner with them, etc.

Once again, the party of "family values" makes policies that are bad for families.

You do know kids were very happy when zero renote and no WLB. Moms just stayed home when kids young,

You do know that many federal government jobs have been flexible … forever? Well before COVID. People had telework. People had flexible schedules that allowed them to work 4 long days. Or work early and leave early.

All of that is gone. And to what end?

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

But that applies to every job. Just because you use your laptop at home versus the office doesn’t make any difference when it comes to if the job can be outsourced.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

But that applies to every job. Just because you use your laptop at home versus the office doesn’t make any difference when it comes to if the job can be outsourced.

Folks with clearances that 100% in office can't be replaced by foreign nationals.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I have that issue with people who work in my area. Average salary is 100K to 200K. However, same exact qualifications I can get in India or Lithuania for around 30K a year. If fully remote 100 percent of time why pay more.

Me personally I had to format this big doc once and take a Excel Sheet and build macros. I was on line and found someone in Pakistan who did it for $200 bucks. It was around 50-60 hours of work. On the website he did not get paid at all unless satisfied. He even went over it me online. He did it in 3 days and Dude had a PhD and worked for a big company doing projects on the side. I could get some people lesser qualifications for $2 bucks and hour.

This scared me. The work that guy did for $200 when I was Big 4 I would have charged $100,000 for. In fact a similar project that would have been like 20x the time I charge 600K this guy could have done it for $4k

This is a tired trope. Offshore or nearshore is great if you want "macros" on an EXCEL sheet FFS. Sure we can find doers. We can't find thinkers and innovators.

A lot of the top tech companies are run by foreign born thinkers and innovators.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

WHAT??? You don't think anyone "overseas" gets adequate medical attention? I can assure you that most of the world has bodies governing medical and other professional licenses.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

Folks are retiring in other countries because the healthcare is better and more affordable.

American's aren't the hot sh*t they once were!

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Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

Newsflash - some people didn't have kids before 2020, some people weren't commuting to the office before 2020, some people weren't married or living in their current geographical location. 5 years is a long time, major life changes do happen in that time period!

Private sector here. I did all of those things and until I stopped doing them, I did not realize how hellish it was. It's hard to get back on the hamster wheel once you get off it. I would leave my job before I'd commute to work 5 days per week. 2 days is probably the most I'd be willing to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

WHAT??? You don't think anyone "overseas" gets adequate medical attention? I can assure you that most of the world has bodies governing medical and other professional licenses.

Do you know what a medical license is? A doctor overseas cannot legally practice medicine in the US without a license in that state. Quality of overseas medicine isn't the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

Newsflash - some people didn't have kids before 2020, some people weren't commuting to the office before 2020, some people weren't married or living in their current geographical location. 5 years is a long time, major life changes do happen in that time period!

Private sector here. I did all of those things and until I stopped doing them, I did not realize how hellish it was. It's hard to get back on the hamster wheel once you get off it. I would leave my job before I'd commute to work 5 days per week. 2 days is probably the most I'd be willing to consider.

Well hopefully you have the skills to back up that kind of choosiness. Most don't.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

We use military insurance. They rarely see patients in person. Bulk is phone calls. Foreign is fine if they are better doctors.

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I've never been able to WFH (govt intel job), even shortly after covid shutdown when my office RTO'd.

But, since then, with so many able to WFH or flex time, I've noticed my childcare options shrank because daycares, preschools and camps (especially) reduced their hours, probably assuming there would be one parent WFH doing drop offs and pick up.

So we single parents with no work hours or location flexibility, now have trouble finding full-day camps especially for tweens. I looked back at old camp registrations before covid, and all of the camps started early 7-8 and were open until 5-6. Now, 9-3 or 9-4 seems to be the norm.

Hopefully the childcare options will now catch up to so many RTO!

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I mean, I'm a lawyer who works remotely part time. People overseas don't have law degrees. My Dad does telehealth visits with patients sometimes, does that mean you'd want an overseas doctor? They don't have medical licenses.

That argument is absurd.

We use military insurance. They rarely see patients in person. Bulk is phone calls. Foreign is fine if they are better doctors.

Kaiser Permanente here- same. It does make it easy to get referrals though! I even had an orthopedic surgeon looking over xrays on zoom the other day.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

I’m a teacher and can’t stay at home. I rather resent the notion that I’m a “shitty/absent parent” because of my job.

Teachers need not chime in, they leave work at 345 everyday, and get 16 weeks of paid vacation-- ( I get that its a low paid job), but the time off is essentially equivalent to working like 3-4 day weeks all year for the rest of us.

Yes, good idea not to chime in if you’re missing facts. I’m not leaving anywhere close to 3:45 because my school, like many, doesn’t even dismiss until after 4:00. We get paid for none of our breaks and I’m not sure who is getting 16 weeks off.

Not a cushy job with few work days and short hours. There’s a reason that the current teacher shortage exists.

You like to insert yourself a lot in these threads. I’m not sure why but you seem to want to compare every job to being a teacher.

That was my first post in this thread, or any RTO thread, for that matter. There’s more than one of us out there. Just getting tired of all of the posters that think we have such a cushy job and finally decided to post.

The whining from people who suddenly have to join the rest of us with on site work conditions is excessive.

The government services you are counting on existing are getting degraded because of the push to RTO in order to get people to quit. I hope you like the suffering of people you envy more than you like your parents being able to sign up for social security.

OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Take responsibility for your own actions. If you quit your amazing government job because you are too lazy to get your ass to the office, that's on YOU. Just ask thousands of feds who were fired and would love to have your job.

Your funeral.

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Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

This is what I'm thinking! I'd generally favor a more flexible schedule for many jobs. But the drama people display in just going back to what was normal a few years ago.