Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This policy is going to have the biggest effect on children. Parents used to be able to spend good quality time with them, take them to sports (and coach!), have dinner with them, etc.

Once again, the party of "family values" makes policies that are bad for families.

You do know kids were very happy when zero renote and no WLB. Moms just stayed home when kids young,

There are women who would like to stay home. We're heading into a recession where lots of men are going to lose their jobs and everything is going to get more expensive. So even for those women, depending on one income right now just became a worse idea.

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Anonymous wrote:This policy is going to have the biggest effect on children. Parents used to be able to spend good quality time with them, take them to sports (and coach!), have dinner with them, etc.

Once again, the party of "family values" makes policies that are bad for families.

You do know kids were very happy when zero renote and no WLB. Moms just stayed home when kids young,

There are women who would like to stay home. We're heading into a recession where lots of men are going to lose their jobs and everything is going to get more expensive. So even for those women, depending on one income right now just became a worse idea.

In that case, RTO is probably a good idea. One unemployed spouse at home all the time with the employed spouse makes for a bad time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, hang in there. It is a big adjustment. Traffic will be much better once summer begins. I'd give it a few months. If you still hate it, start job hunting.

The commuter lots near me are still not as full as they were pre-covid. Think more people will start switching back to slug lines?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

+1000. I did this for decades. Is going back hard yes but no one questioned it before the pandemic and everyone will get used to it again. If you don’t want to, find a new job that’s remote or closer to home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More proof RTO is for desperately lonely people with nothing going on their personal lives. The office is where they get all their socializing done and need to force people in to do it.

This is so true!! And let them have it. If they like going in to the office and puttering around, fine. But let the rest of us be more productive at home. We have a life outside work. We embrace technology.

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Anonymous wrote:What did you do pre 2020? People commuted to the office every day. Kids went to daycare. Parents came home, made dinner, helped with homework. It’s life.

+1000. I did this for decades. Is going back hard yes but no one questioned it before the pandemic and everyone will get used to it again. If you don’t want to, find a new job that’s remote or closer to home.

Fine, but all of life has to adjust to these people not being available at 5 any more. It hasn't yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

I’m a teacher and can’t stay at home. I rather resent the notion that I’m a “shitty/absent parent” because of my job.

Teachers need not chime in, they leave work at 345 everyday, and get 16 weeks of paid vacation-- ( I get that its a low paid job), but the time off is essentially equivalent to working like 3-4 day weeks all year for the rest of us.

Yes, good idea not to chime in if you’re missing facts. I’m not leaving anywhere close to 3:45 because my school, like many, doesn’t even dismiss until after 4:00. We get paid for none of our breaks and I’m not sure who is getting 16 weeks off.

Not a cushy job with few work days and short hours. There’s a reason that the current teacher shortage exists.

You like to insert yourself a lot in these threads. I’m not sure why but you seem to want to compare every job to being a teacher.

That was my first post in this thread, or any RTO thread, for that matter. There’s more than one of us out there. Just getting tired of all of the posters that think we have such a cushy job and finally decided to post.

The whining from people who suddenly have to join the rest of us with on site work conditions is excessive.

The government services you are counting on existing are getting degraded because of the push to RTO in order to get people to quit. I hope you like the suffering of people you envy more than you like your parents being able to sign up for social security.

[Anonymous]

IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

[Anonymous]

I returned to the office full-time in 2021 - and the only reason I was able do so was that my spouse was 100% telework. Every family's situation is different and the best policy is to be flexible. But we're dealing with an administration where the cruelty is the point so who cares what the best policy is.

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I have that issue with people who work in my area. Average salary is 100K to 200K. However, same exact qualifications I can get in India or Lithuania for around 30K a year. If fully remote 100 percent of time why pay more.

Me personally I had to format this big doc once and take a Excel Sheet and build macros. I was on line and found someone in Pakistan who did it for $200 bucks. It was around 50-60 hours of work. On the website he did not get paid at all unless satisfied. He even went over it me online. He did it in 3 days and Dude had a PhD and worked for a big company doing projects on the side. I could get some people lesser qualifications for $2 bucks and hour.

This scared me. The work that guy did for $200 when I was Big 4 I would have charged $100,000 for. In fact a similar project that would have been like 20x the time I charge 600K this guy could have done it for $4k

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

Are people in Asian countries going to graduate from accredited U.S. law schools and get a state bar license?

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

Are people in Asian countries going to graduate from accredited U.S. law schools and get a state bar license?

You are in for a rude awakening. Wait till AI is used for litigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

I have that issue with people who work in my area. Average salary is 100K to 200K. However, same exact qualifications I can get in India or Lithuania for around 30K a year. If fully remote 100 percent of time why pay more.

Me personally I had to format this big doc once and take a Excel Sheet and build macros. I was on line and found someone in Pakistan who did it for $200 bucks. It was around 50-60 hours of work. On the website he did not get paid at all unless satisfied. He even went over it me online. He did it in 3 days and Dude had a PhD and worked for a big company doing projects on the side. I could get some people lesser qualifications for $2 bucks and hour.

This scared me. The work that guy did for $200 when I was Big 4 I would have charged $100,000 for. In fact a similar project that would have been like 20x the time I charge 600K this guy could have done it for $4k

This is a tired trope. Offshore or nearshore is great if you want "macros" on an EXCEL sheet FFS. Sure we can find doers. We can't find thinkers and innovators.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who insist on terminating TW are usually old men, people without children, or those who never did much childrearing. This generation of parents actually wants to spend time with their kids, we want to be able to cook a home cook meal several times a week, and see them after work for more than an hour, we don't want to be shitty/absent parents. TW simply gives us two hours of our lives back (at least!), time we can dedicate to our families and not commuting.

We are the generation that deeply understands why birthrates are going down. A society that refuses to support parents is doomed, young people will look at us and say "hard pass".

I’m a teacher and can’t stay at home. I rather resent the notion that I’m a “shitty/absent parent” because of my job.

Teachers need not chime in, they leave work at 345 everyday, and get 16 weeks of paid vacation-- ( I get that its a low paid job), but the time off is essentially equivalent to working like 3-4 day weeks all year for the rest of us.

Yes, good idea not to chime in if you’re missing facts. I’m not leaving anywhere close to 3:45 because my school, like many, doesn’t even dismiss until after 4:00. We get paid for none of our breaks and I’m not sure who is getting 16 weeks off.

Not a cushy job with few work days and short hours. There’s a reason that the current teacher shortage exists.

You like to insert yourself a lot in these threads. I’m not sure why but you seem to want to compare every job to being a teacher.

That was my first post in this thread, or any RTO thread, for that matter. There’s more than one of us out there. Just getting tired of all of the posters that think we have such a cushy job and finally decided to post.

The whining from people who suddenly have to join the rest of us with on site work conditions is excessive.

The government services you are counting on existing are getting degraded because of the push to RTO in order to get people to quit. I hope you like the suffering of people you envy more than you like your parents being able to sign up for social security.

OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! Take responsibility for your own actions. If you quit your amazing government job because you are too lazy to get your ass to the office, that's on YOU. Just ask thousands of feds who were fired and would love to have your job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IF folks think they do their jobs 100% remote, then why do we need to keep jobs in US? I'm sur companies can get cheaper and smarter labor overseas. Especially Asian countries.

Are people in Asian countries going to graduate from accredited U.S. law schools and get a state bar license?

You are in for a rude awakening. Wait till AI is used for litigation.

I'm already incorporating AI into my legal practice. I don't see it replacing lawyers, per se, just making us more efficient, and we probably won't need as many new lawyers going forward.