Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

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Anonymous wrote:People are becoming little sissy Nancy Boys. When I started work it was common pre automation, Internet, email in my office that Saturday was catch up day. I used to work 15-20 Saturdays a year. I used to work 830 am to 630 pm Monday to Thursday and then 830 am to 5 pm on Friday of working Saturday.

And I had a cushy job, my firm people like me off the clock got laid extra for Saturdays. I had friends in jobs who worked like 8am to 7pm every day and no Sat which ment 20 percent less pay.

You sound lazy. Many are doing 12-14 hour days with 2-3 hour commutes and then working at home evenings, and weekends. That includes calls in the middle of the night due to time zones. My spouse is looking for another job. It was doable without the commute but with it it’s near impossible and physical not safe to only get a few hours of sleep some nights

But some people don't need much sleep. I normally when I had a job like that went to bed around 12 midnight, could get up middle of night to do bottle feedings when kid little and then wake up at 545 am for work no problem. I did a job like that for 30 years. I also had a friend who only slept on average two hours a night. I notice people in jobs like that who have a good work life balance dont sleep much naturally. I had a BS 830am to 430 pm job a few years in my twenties and was so weird as I had 7-8 hours of free time every night. My last job was a bit like your husbands job and I enjoyed it as I liked I could talk to people and do work when I was wide awake between 10 pm and 1 am and if got up early.

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As an example, Religious accommodations means you can go outside to pray multiple times a day or given a conference room or office near a window pointed towards the direction of Mecca.

I’m not trying to be comical. My Muslim colleague at the last agency I worked had religious accommodation. He prayed in his cube across the aisle from me 2-3 times a day when they took away his access to an exclusive conference room.

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What is really pissing me off is how the political hires coming in are all being cut special deals to not be in the office. All live outside DC and are not in the office even four days per week. They are off in their houses in other areas of the country.

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Anonymous wrote:What is really pissing me off is how the political hires coming in are all being cut special deals to not be in the office. All live outside DC and are not in the office even four days per week. They are off in their houses in other areas of the country.

Your a Grunt who does work not a BSD

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Anonymous wrote:What is really pissing me off is how the political hires coming in are all being cut special deals to not be in the office. All live outside DC and are not in the office even four days per week. They are off in their houses in other areas of the country.

I mean I’d be careful what you wish for because I bet almost all political hires would love for their agency to not be in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:People are becoming little sissy Nancy Boys. When I started work it was common pre automation, Internet, email in my office that Saturday was catch up day. I used to work 15-20 Saturdays a year. I used to work 830 am to 630 pm Monday to Thursday and then 830 am to 5 pm on Friday of working Saturday.

And I had a cushy job, my firm people like me off the clock got laid extra for Saturdays. I had friends in jobs who worked like 8am to 7pm every day and no Sat which ment 20 percent less pay.

This is not the flex that you think it is.

I suppose it's what people prioritize. DH and I are quite happy with the 20 percent less pay in exchange for a better work/life balance. We can still afford the things we want and need, but we aren't the type who want to stay at the Ritz or similar.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

The point is, they don't need to know that you're catholic and attending mass. You could be pastafarian and you need to break all your spaghetti at that time, while the Italian national anthem plays. Religion is private. That's why I'm here to see how this one plays out. I.e., some religions get preferences over another or if people have to divulge this very private information. Gonna be interesting.

Religion is not private if you’re requesting an accommodation. You have to justify your request and explain the reason. If you ask actual religious people who have had to request accommodations you’d know it’s not as easy as you are implying, and they are not always granted.

You would get fired by this administration if you probe too deeply into a religious accommodation request. OPM issued a new memo that says it is the policy of this government to hire and retain high quality employees of faith. It says right there in the memo that you can telework for daily prayers and the agency cannot deny your request unless they show a significant impact to operations.

If you were to deny a Christian's accommodation request then you might also get fired for violating the executive order Eradicating Anti-Christian Bias. You can easily google all of this instead of talking about how religious accommodations used to be tough to get.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

They could, but they don’t have to.

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Anonymous wrote:As an example, Religious accommodations means you can go outside to pray multiple times a day or given a conference room or office near a window pointed towards the direction of Mecca.

I’m not trying to be comical. My Muslim colleague at the last agency I worked had religious accommodation. He prayed in his cube across the aisle from me 2-3 times a day when they took away his access to an exclusive conference room.

Someone praying? Oh the horror! You sound like an islamophobe.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

They could, but they don’t have to.

They would have to use leave for the mass and then drive in and start the work day afterwards or make up the time by staying later. This administration doesn’t want them to have to do that. So they can TW.

Now the next question is why don’t the same apply to working parents if this administration wants more kids? I have to makeup the time or use leave for dropping kids at school and getting into office later than I would otherwise.
But I guess they want more kids but non working women.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

They could, but they don’t have to.

They would have to use leave for the mass and then drive in and start the work day afterwards or make up the time by staying later. This administration doesn’t want them to have to do that. So they can TW.

Now the next question is why don’t the same apply to working parents if this administration wants more kids? I have to makeup the time or use leave for dropping kids at school and getting into office later than I would otherwise.
But I guess they want more kids but non working women.

The administration does want more kids. They just want to provide accommodations to working parents who go to church and have daily prayers.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

They could, but they don’t have to.

They would have to use leave for the mass and then drive in and start the work day afterwards or make up the time by staying later. This administration doesn’t want them to have to do that. So they can TW.

Now the next question is why don’t the same apply to working parents if this administration wants more kids? I have to makeup the time or use leave for dropping kids at school and getting into office later than I would otherwise.
But I guess they want more kids but non working women.

The administration does want more kids. They just want to provide accommodations to working parents who go to church and have daily prayers.

They don’t want YOU to have more kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still struggling to adjust. Anyone else?

Yes. I've hit a wall and I'm going to submit a religious accommodation request.

What religious accommodation request would allow you to work from home??

I think the answer has to be "none of your business" - people's religion and how they celebrate it needs to be off-limits if agencies are authorized to accommodate. They don't get to be all in the details.

Well, I personally would like to know. I’m Catholic- can I WFH in Good Friday in order to attend services? I was previously attending morning weekday mass a couple days per week too and I can’t since RTO.

But it seems kinda nuts if I could WFH to attend mass but not a doctors appt. Maybe I could schedule appts the same days I attend mass- is that an acceptable workaround you think?

Yes, you can TW to attend morning mass. Someone in my agency just got TW several days a week to attend morning mass. Takes leave for that time or makes up the time later in the day.

I’m Catholic and have some very religious family members. Most attend mass every single morning. Would they seriously get telework daily because of this?

Yes, they would. Look at the new policy.

Why can’t they just drive in after mass?

They could, but they don’t have to.

They would have to use leave for the mass and then drive in and start the work day afterwards or make up the time by staying later. This administration doesn’t want them to have to do that. So they can TW.

Now the next question is why don’t the same apply to working parents if this administration wants more kids? I have to makeup the time or use leave for dropping kids at school and getting into office later than I would otherwise.
But I guess they want more kids but non working women.

Oh stop it with your logical thinking brain and get back in the kitchen

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People are becoming little sissy Nancy Boys. When I started work it was common pre automation, Internet, email in my office that Saturday was catch up day. I used to work 15-20 Saturdays a year. I used to work 830 am to 630 pm Monday to Thursday and then 830 am to 5 pm on Friday of working Saturday.

And I had a cushy job, my firm people like me off the clock got laid extra for Saturdays. I had friends in jobs who worked like 8am to 7pm every day and no Sat which ment 20 percent less pay.

This is not the flex that you think it is.

I suppose it's what people prioritize. DH and I are quite happy with the 20 percent less pay in exchange for a better work/life balance. We can still afford the things we want and need, but we aren't the type who want to stay at the Ritz or similar.

That is only an option if dual income. My job searches always lead me to in person jobs with travel, jobs with OT, high stress jobs, job with maybe sales goals, jobs that report to Boards etc. I get paid double or even more those jobs and since not dual income I need double and the more ther better,

In Covid got laid off and got a fully remote job, I could sleep in, wear PJs all day, work anywhere get my work for day done in 2-3 hours. But it paid 1/2. I was told could move to a lower cost if living area or wife go back to work full time. So my company tells me to live in a shack or send wife back to work so I can keep my super easy remote job. I told my wife and she laughed.