How is UVA overrated?

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I have to say the opposite uva is actually underrated. My dc and his friends got multiple offers from top Wall Street and hedge funds. They actually did better than thei counterparts at some me of the ivys. I have to give them credit it was purely networking. Its alumni fostered these interviews and the clubs helped in preparing them for the interviews and negotiations. I have another child and he was debating between uva and an ivy now seeing. His siblings offers he accepted uva.

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UVA alumni are very active in ws circles so they tend to have nepotism. Plus lot of their children attend uva so they recruit heavily compared to other public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are using USNWR as your standard, then either UVA is overrated or W&M is underrated. UVA and WM have almost identical GPA and SAT/ ACT scores at 25%/50%/75%. In some cases WM has higher stats. There used to be about 10 spots difference between the two in USNWR. But when USNWR started emphasizing things like FGLI/pell grant %, and stopped considering things like the quality of undergrad teaching, the spread went from 10 places to 30 places— in one year.

Maybe UVA is overrated by USNWR. Maybe WM is underrated. But, these school attract the same caliber students. And IMO the quality of undergrad teaching is very important for undergrad students. They should have a similar ranking. Up to you to decide if that ranking should be in the 20s, early 40s or mid 50s.

I love how the insecure W&M booster ALWAYS pushes their way into these discussions to make sure they're not left out.

So true. Most kids at UVA didn’t even apply to W&M. It is such a different vibe. Very, very nerdy at W&M.

Most top stats kids in Virginia only apply to UVA as a safety.

This reflects the impression I get. UVA is pseudo-elite because the parents particularly, but also the students, think they're "all that." They can all feel good about themselves being at their "safety" school because it's UVA. UVA is over-rated because the student body/parents/alumnae all think very highly of themselves.

DP. And I think that's where a lot of the chip-on-the-shoulder attitude comes from. They didn't get into their reach schools, so they had to settle for UVA.

UVA is a bit like Yale in that they are never first choice for the students. It is a mark of rejection.

Speak for your bubble. UVA was my dream school. Thrilled to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

And an Ivy opens even more. My kid is only a Freshmen and had a ridiculous amount of success with internships. It stands out when everyone else is a state school kid.

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If you’re doing a pre professional program. UVA wins hands down . Law , medicine business there graduate schools are second to none. When it comes to stem other public ivys gain better traction

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re doing a pre professional program. UVA wins hands down . Law , medicine business there graduate schools are second to none. When it comes to stem other public ivys gain better traction

Their graduate programs are behind a lot of other schools, but are still decent for a public university.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

I do not understand the UVA hate.

The school definitely opens doors. We know many UVA graduates who have excellent careers. And through the years.

And very happy for our kid who is graduating from another college will be starting their career at UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are using USNWR as your standard, then either UVA is overrated or W&M is underrated. UVA and WM have almost identical GPA and SAT/ ACT scores at 25%/50%/75%. In some cases WM has higher stats. There used to be about 10 spots difference between the two in USNWR. But when USNWR started emphasizing things like FGLI/pell grant %, and stopped considering things like the quality of undergrad teaching, the spread went from 10 places to 30 places— in one year.

Maybe UVA is overrated by USNWR. Maybe WM is underrated. But, these school attract the same caliber students. And IMO the quality of undergrad teaching is very important for undergrad students. They should have a similar ranking. Up to you to decide if that ranking should be in the 20s, early 40s or mid 50s.

I love how the insecure W&M booster ALWAYS pushes their way into these discussions to make sure they're not left out.

So true. Most kids at UVA didn’t even apply to W&M. It is such a different vibe. Very, very nerdy at W&M.

Most top stats kids in Virginia only apply to UVA as a safety.

This reflects the impression I get. UVA is pseudo-elite because the parents particularly, but also the students, think they're "all that." They can all feel good about themselves being at their "safety" school because it's UVA. UVA is over-rated because the student body/parents/alumnae all think very highly of themselves.

DP. And I think that's where a lot of the chip-on-the-shoulder attitude comes from. They didn't get into their reach schools, so they had to settle for UVA.

UVA is a bit like Yale in that they are never first choice for the students. It is a mark of rejection.

Speak for your bubble. UVA was my dream school. Thrilled to attend.

Never heard of that. You sure?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

And an Ivy opens even more. My kid is only a Freshmen and had a ridiculous amount of success with internships. It stands out when everyone else is a state school kid.

True although depending on the job it could close doors because people tend to think Ivy grads will think they’re too good for the entry level or they won’t stay. I hired a kid from Yale for an entry level non profit Job and she lasted a month. I don’t think we will make that mistake again.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are using USNWR as your standard, then either UVA is overrated or W&M is underrated. UVA and WM have almost identical GPA and SAT/ ACT scores at 25%/50%/75%. In some cases WM has higher stats. There used to be about 10 spots difference between the two in USNWR. But when USNWR started emphasizing things like FGLI/pell grant %, and stopped considering things like the quality of undergrad teaching, the spread went from 10 places to 30 places— in one year.

Maybe UVA is overrated by USNWR. Maybe WM is underrated. But, these school attract the same caliber students. And IMO the quality of undergrad teaching is very important for undergrad students. They should have a similar ranking. Up to you to decide if that ranking should be in the 20s, early 40s or mid 50s.

I love how the insecure W&M booster ALWAYS pushes their way into these discussions to make sure they're not left out.

So true. Most kids at UVA didn’t even apply to W&M. It is such a different vibe. Very, very nerdy at W&M.

Most top stats kids in Virginia only apply to UVA as a safety.

This reflects the impression I get. UVA is pseudo-elite because the parents particularly, but also the students, think they're "all that." They can all feel good about themselves being at their "safety" school because it's UVA. UVA is over-rated because the student body/parents/alumnae all think very highly of themselves.

DP. And I think that's where a lot of the chip-on-the-shoulder attitude comes from. They didn't get into their reach schools, so they had to settle for UVA.

UVA is a bit like Yale in that they are never first choice for the students. It is a mark of rejection.

Speak for your bubble. UVA was my dream school. Thrilled to attend.

Never heard of that. You sure?

Hence why PP mentioned you live in a bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

And an Ivy opens even more. My kid is only a Freshmen and had a ridiculous amount of success with internships. It stands out when everyone else is a state school kid.

True although depending on the job it could close doors because people tend to think Ivy grads will think they’re too good for the entry level or they won’t stay. I hired a kid from Yale for an entry level non profit Job and she lasted a month. I don’t think we will make that mistake again.

Yeah better to hire kid that will not care about moving up from entry level

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

I do not understand the UVA hate.

The school definitely opens doors. We know many UVA graduates who have excellent careers. And through the years.

And very happy for our kid who is graduating from another college will be starting their career at UVA.

For a few it seems to be genuine irritation with the overt boosters and for the large remainder it seems to be bitterness for whatever reason (rejections, some inferiority complexes amongst the VA crowd, etc).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

I do not understand the UVA hate.

The school definitely opens doors. We know many UVA graduates who have excellent careers. And through the years.

And very happy for our kid who is graduating from another college will be starting their career at UVA.

For a few it seems to be genuine irritation with the overt boosters and for the large remainder it seems to be bitterness for whatever reason (rejections, some inferiority complexes amongst the VA crowd, etc).

Yeah I think the arrogance of UVA gets to people…and it’s a state school and services, class sizes and what you get is public style, less personal. But when it’s all you know you believe the hype. It’s great school but not as great as they’d have you believe.

[Anonymous]

….because I say so. Next question?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just gonna say this. My kid is graduating next month and interviewing for jobs currently. she is in a field that does not hire cohorts of entry level people, so the timing has to be right where they have a need and she can start reasonably soon. This has meant it’s been a rush in recent weeks as she’s finally to a point where she can start next month. She has had 11 interviews and 4 second rounds. I will say per the posted PDs she does not have the experience. They are usually looking for 2 years of exp and she has two great summer internships but definitely not two years. I believe that she has gotten these interviews in large part because she is at UVA. She had a second interview today and they said she was the only candidate they are meeting who is still in college. The UVA name does open doors that other VA colleges do not. Sorry, it’s just a fact.

I do not understand the UVA hate.

The school definitely opens doors. We know many UVA graduates who have excellent careers. And through the years.

And very happy for our kid who is graduating from another college will be starting their career at UVA.

For a few it seems to be genuine irritation with the overt boosters and for the large remainder it seems to be bitterness for whatever reason (rejections, some inferiority complexes amongst the VA crowd, etc).

Yeah I think the arrogance of UVA gets to people…and it’s a state school and services, class sizes and what you get is public style, less personal. But when it’s all you know you believe the hype. It’s great school but not as great as they’d have you believe.

I don’t know about the latter parts but yes UVA has an arrogance vibe about it that the other top two VA public’s don’t give off.