How is UVA overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:it is overrated for 2 reasons:

1) STEM staff and curriculum is like any other T50-100 school

2) Outcomes - lack of fortune 500 companies in and around DMV makes hiring very hard.

No idea what you are talking about on 2. UVA is on every list of banking and consulting placement, plus placement at top law schools, med schools, etc.

I hear Capitol One is a main recruiter there. How impressive.

CapOne has 12,500 employees in Tysons and 12,500 in Richmond. Of course it is going to recruit heavily from the nearby Flagship. I don’t see why that’s a ding.

I believe it is the #1 employer for UVA, W&M, VT, JMU . . .

Certainly top 3 for VT (usually rotates between CapOne, Boeing, and Lockheed due to engineering college). WM is harder to find top employers because it just lists “employers who hired 4 or more graduates,” but CapOne is one of those.

CapOne not top 10 for JMU: https://www.jmu.edu/career/careeroutcomes/_files/2023/class_of_2023_report_final.pdf

You can get employer data from LinkedIn by looking at the college or university. It can list top employers.

On LinkedIn, Capital One is the #1 external employer (where they work) of alumni for UVA, VT, and JMU. It is #2 for W&M just behind Deloitte.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say this shows the state’s largest private employer is also the largest employer of in-state college grads.

Capitol One isn't the state's largest private employer.

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Anonymous wrote:it is overrated for 2 reasons:

1) STEM staff and curriculum is like any other T50-100 school

2) Outcomes - lack of fortune 500 companies in and around DMV makes hiring very hard.

No idea what you are talking about on 2. UVA is on every list of banking and consulting placement, plus placement at top law schools, med schools, etc.

I hear Capitol One is a main recruiter there. How impressive.

CapOne has 12,500 employees in Tysons and 12,500 in Richmond. Of course it is going to recruit heavily from the nearby Flagship. I don’t see why that’s a ding.

I believe it is the #1 employer for UVA, W&M, VT, JMU . . .

Certainly top 3 for VT (usually rotates between CapOne, Boeing, and Lockheed due to engineering college). WM is harder to find top employers because it just lists “employers who hired 4 or more graduates,” but CapOne is one of those.

CapOne not top 10 for JMU: https://www.jmu.edu/career/careeroutcomes/_files/2023/class_of_2023_report_final.pdf

You can get employer data from LinkedIn by looking at the college or university. It can list top employers.

On LinkedIn, Capital One is the #1 external employer (where they work) of alumni for UVA, VT, and JMU. It is #2 for W&M just behind Deloitte.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say this shows the state’s largest private employer is also the largest employer of in-state college grads.

Capitol One isn't the state's largest private employer.

Who wants to work for that exploitative crappy credit card company?

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Anonymous wrote:Cheating

We know honest kids who go there, but we also know of a good number of kids who cheated their way through high school that are also going there. But, that's probably b/c we are in Nova.

I think this is the key to UVA's "overrating." Northern Virginia.
Northern Virginia likes to think UVA is a bargain Yale or Harvard or Princeton or Brown. UVA is an excellent school, but it's very competitive particularly for northern Virginia students. So it evokes the impression of being more elite and prestigious in this geographical area than it warrants. I'm sure if you ask people in California to name the top public universities in the country, UVA would not come to mind.

I’m actually fairly sure they would, because UVA has been a top public for decades. I’m always amazed when people don’t realize this (and that’s coming from someone who didn’t go there, doesn’t have kids there, and only moved to Virginia in the last five years).

Some Californians known UVA is a top school but many don't. More interest in Michigan and Texas Austin than UVA because STEM.

Outside the DMV, most people consider UVA on par with U of Florida. It doesn’t register along with Michigan, UCLA, UCSD, Berkeley, or even UT Austin. It is just pretty average.

The masses lump all of these good, solid state schools together. Nobody but dweebs on college forums are splitting hairs - because the hair-splitting is pointless. Nearly all state schools are overwhelmingly majority in-state kids.

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We know honest kids who go there, but we also know of a good number of kids who cheated their way through high school that are also going there. But, that's probably b/c we are in Nova.

I think this is the key to UVA's "overrating." Northern Virginia.
Northern Virginia likes to think UVA is a bargain Yale or Harvard or Princeton or Brown. UVA is an excellent school, but it's very competitive particularly for northern Virginia students. So it evokes the impression of being more elite and prestigious in this geographical area than it warrants. I'm sure if you ask people in California to name the top public universities in the country, UVA would not come to mind.

I’m actually fairly sure they would, because UVA has been a top public for decades. I’m always amazed when people don’t realize this (and that’s coming from someone who didn’t go there, doesn’t have kids there, and only moved to Virginia in the last five years).

Some Californians known UVA is a top school but many don't. More interest in Michigan and Texas Austin than UVA because STEM.

Outside the DMV, most people consider UVA on par with U of Florida. It doesn’t register along with Michigan, UCLA, UCSD, Berkeley, or even UT Austin. It is just pretty average.

The masses lump all of these good, solid state schools together. Nobody but dweebs on college forums are splitting hairs - because the hair-splitting is pointless. Nearly all state schools are overwhelmingly majority in-state kids.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Not significantly at the higher level classes. Mega lectures just become large lectures.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Of course they are. The PP is clueless, just spouting ignorance based mostly on other ignorant views they’ve read here.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a well-respected P4 state school like Wisconsin, Ohio State, Illinois and Florida. No one has heard of UCSD or else confuse it with the Jesuit school USD. No comparison.

UCSD is one of the top research universities in the U.S. and is particularly strong in biomedical. It got 135K freshman applications last year, which is also one of the highest.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is overrated to parents whose kids couldn’t get it. It’s a way to make them fell better for the kids failure.

Not true, plenty of us just don’t prefer public schools.

Can you please explain why ?
We are in the same situation , and weighting pros and cons between uva and another private but smaller institution

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say UVA is overrated, please list the reasons you believe this. Looking for substantive reasons. My kid is about to decide between UVA and another school.

Frankly, nobody outside of DC and Nova really cares about it. It's just another "good state school." And you all know if your kid could get in and you could afford it, you'd send them to Vandy, Duke or GU in a heartbeat and then find ways to flex your higher rung status on UVA parents.

Not GU. GU pretty takes anyone from our DC private who applies with a 3.5+. It's not prestigious at all plus my kids had no interest at all in staying in DC. I get you on Duke and Vanderbilt.
But what do they have to do with UVA? My kid would probably also go to Yale and Harvard over UVA. So what? How do these negate UVA from having any prestige?
You are making no sense.

UVA is a safety for GU rejects. Vandy, Duke, and GU all have that same pretentious elitist faux southern vibe. Ditto UVA. UVA is a great school but it’s obviously a status flex if your kid can get into and you can afford those far more selective and expensive privates.

Yale and Harvard are so hyper selective they’re not schools anyone can really realistically aim for.

Do GU and UVA open more doors than the other in business related jobs? Consulting/ management / banking

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Of course they are. The PP is clueless, just spouting ignorance based mostly on other ignorant views they’ve read here.

Nope, mega lectures just become large lectures. Few graded assignments and limited interaction with the professors remain. The higher level courses are still a problem at UVA.

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Lot of nova residents hate uva because it rejects a lot of high stat overachieving students. They can get those same caliber students from oos.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Of course they are. The PP is clueless, just spouting ignorance based mostly on other ignorant views they’ve read here.

Nope, mega lectures just become large lectures. Few graded assignments and limited interaction with the professors remain. The higher level courses are still a problem at UVA.

I have a kid at UVA. You couldn’t be more wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Of course they are. The PP is clueless, just spouting ignorance based mostly on other ignorant views they’ve read here.

Nope, mega lectures just become large lectures. Few graded assignments and limited interaction with the professors remain. The higher level courses are still a problem at UVA.

I have a kid at UVA. You couldn’t be more wrong.

+1. Some of the hate sounds so desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a state school so the price is less expensive vs other schools. This increases desirability and up its perceived value.

Also state schools graduates usually stay local and have local reputations in the state and maybe the region. Virginia is not a state with an economy like California, New York, etc. and the opportunities associated with such an economy- Wall Street, silicon Valley, Hollywood, media, etc.

Uhhhhm. I have to disagree. The majority of the interwebs run through Virginia. Almost every major tech bro company has an office in Reston/Ashburn. Amazon has their East Coast HQ here. Volkswagen as well. It has the HQ for Capital One and Hilton Hotels. It's a retail mecca with every majore high fashion label in Tysons. And governemtn consulting (for however long it lasts) out the wazoo. Loudoun County is the richest county in the US. This doesn't happen because of a mediocre economy.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has all the problems of a large public university which are significant and impact virtually all of the top publics.

The main advantage of UVA is in-state tuition.

Compared to peer institutions, like Univ of Florida, UVA remains competitive.

I would take a top public over a middling private any day of the week. The “problems” are vastly overstated, especially around here.

Oversized classes, difficulty enrolling in classes, large lecture learning formats and reliance on TAs. It is just limited resources that include advising and everything else.

You're right. Self reliance is a must. No hand holding.

It’s more than just no hand holding. It is a lower quality education with less career advising and supports.

How so?

Fewer graded assignments, less direct discussion with the professor, less high-quality class time, like small group discussions with the professor, instead of large lectures and TAs, difficulty getting to know the professors and getting letters of rec. The classes are just overall lower quality.

I'm surprised by this. I would think that as students move along in majors that classes would be smaller with more professor interaction? Most public schools seems to have this model generally, unless an honors program?

Of course they are. The PP is clueless, just spouting ignorance based mostly on other ignorant views they’ve read here.

Nope, mega lectures just become large lectures. Few graded assignments and limited interaction with the professors remain. The higher level courses are still a problem at UVA.

Please show me on Lou’s List where these giant, high level classes are. Since you’re in the know, you can surely show us.