How to help MCPS' lowest performing students?

[Anonymous]

OP's also asking: "Parents/guardians of these students need assistance too but there is time and language and cultural barriers- getting them information about identifying learning issues, ELL services, attitude/views about learning?"

You do realize that immigrants, including non-English speaking immigrants, have been arriving to the US for well over 200 years. Many thrive here today in just one generation. It takes a home environment that emphasizes education as a path to success. if you have this, the rest of your culture doesn’t really matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OP's also asking: "Parents/guardians of these students need assistance too but there is time and language and cultural barriers- getting them information about identifying learning issues, ELL services, attitude/views about learning?"

You do realize that immigrants, including non-English speaking immigrants, have been arriving to the US for well over 200 years. Many thrive here today in just one generation. It takes a home environment that emphasizes education as a path to success. if you have this, the rest of your culture doesn’t really matter.

It’s not the immigrants that are arriving. It’s the sheer number of immigrants that are arriving on an already stressed out system and needing services that are beyond what the system can provide and it is already not providing It’s existing residents.

[Anonymous]

The best way to help them is by dragging down my middle to high-performing kids from high income earning households that still opt into this idiotic public school system because it’s too okay to leave even though we could afford a private, our kids are extremely happy there, but we are seeing the deficiencies in it all over the place. Keep dragging my kids down and that will definitely lift the low performing kids up right? Right? Right? Just kidding, one day we will leave and take our extremely high rate of parental involvement, teacher support, and all the other things we do to contribute to the public school system With us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

I don’t know what counts as a horde but 20% of MCPS students are English language learners. At the school where I teach it’s more like 40% and at some schools it’s 80%.

[Anonymous]

According to this document ELLs in the state have doubled in the last 10 years: https://marylandpublicschools.org/stateboard/Documents/2023/0627/EnglishLearners-ELsinMaryland.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP's also asking: "Parents/guardians of these students need assistance too but there is time and language and cultural barriers- getting them information about identifying learning issues, ELL services, attitude/views about learning?"

You do realize that immigrants, including non-English speaking immigrants, have been arriving to the US for well over 200 years. Many thrive here today in just one generation. It takes a home environment that emphasizes education as a path to success. if you have this, the rest of your culture doesn’t really matter.

It’s not the immigrants that are arriving. It’s the sheer number of immigrants that are arriving on an already stressed out system and needing services that are beyond what the system can provide and it is already not providing It’s existing residents.

👆 The bolded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

You are delusional. Of course resources have been shifted because of large numbers of immigrants to MCPS. Earlier in the decade, we had approximately 1500 new immigrant kids arriving EVERY year. That is a new school's worth. You can find the demographic numbers to see the shift. And where do you think those "state" tax dollars come from? MoCo. In addition, ELL kids ultimately slow down the teaching of native born students. Those classes just cannot make the same progress.

Trying to shut down people by calling them racist? Yes, it is OK for people to say that it is frustrating to spend our tax dollars educating illegal immigrants or the American-born children of illegal immigrants, when we have kids who experience generational poverty who need those resources. Your economic arguments are just as fallacious, but that belongs in a different thread. I always love the "if you don't like it, move" argument. Ummm... you are saying that law abiding, tax paying citizens of Maryland should move to make way for illegal economic migrants. That will definitely end well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The best way to help them is by dragging down my middle to high-performing kids from high income earning households that still opt into this idiotic public school system because it’s too okay to leave even though we could afford a private, our kids are extremely happy there, but we are seeing the deficiencies in it all over the place. Keep dragging my kids down and that will definitely lift the low performing kids up right? Right? Right? Just kidding, one day we will leave and take our extremely high rate of parental involvement, teacher support, and all the other things we do to contribute to the public school system With us.

You really think only rich families like yours have smart kids... oh my.... yes, us low income families who live in much lesser houses who you look down on should never ever be in the same school system as your kids. But, given your high income why do you just have middle performing kids when some of us with less money have higher performing kids...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

You are delusional. Of course resources have been shifted because of large numbers of immigrants to MCPS. Earlier in the decade, we had approximately 1500 new immigrant kids arriving EVERY year. That is a new school's worth. You can find the demographic numbers to see the shift. And where do you think those "state" tax dollars come from? MoCo. In addition, ELL kids ultimately slow down the teaching of native born students. Those classes just cannot make the same progress.

Trying to shut down people by calling them racist? Yes, it is OK for people to say that it is frustrating to spend our tax dollars educating illegal immigrants or the American-born children of illegal immigrants, when we have kids who experience generational poverty who need those resources. Your economic arguments are just as fallacious, but that belongs in a different thread. I always love the "if you don't like it, move" argument. Ummm... you are saying that law abiding, tax paying citizens of Maryland should move to make way for illegal economic migrants. That will definitely end well.

These people PAY taxes too. And, those illegals are the ones who care for your kids, clean your house and do your yard among other things. So, its ok they do all your dirty work but not have their kids educated along side yours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP's also asking: "Parents/guardians of these students need assistance too but there is time and language and cultural barriers- getting them information about identifying learning issues, ELL services, attitude/views about learning?"

You do realize that immigrants, including non-English speaking immigrants, have been arriving to the US for well over 200 years. Many thrive here today in just one generation. It takes a home environment that emphasizes education as a path to success. if you have this, the rest of your culture doesn’t really matter.

It’s not the immigrants that are arriving. It’s the sheer number of immigrants that are arriving on an already stressed out system and needing services that are beyond what the system can provide and it is already not providing It’s existing residents.

This. We have had an influx of thousands of children from all over the world and many of them need more services (help with food/housing/healthcare) than we have ever had before.

It is putting an unreasonable amount of pressure on teachers and admin in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

You are delusional. Of course resources have been shifted because of large numbers of immigrants to MCPS. Earlier in the decade, we had approximately 1500 new immigrant kids arriving EVERY year. That is a new school's worth. You can find the demographic numbers to see the shift. And where do you think those "state" tax dollars come from? MoCo. In addition, ELL kids ultimately slow down the teaching of native born students. Those classes just cannot make the same progress.

Trying to shut down people by calling them racist? Yes, it is OK for people to say that it is frustrating to spend our tax dollars educating illegal immigrants or the American-born children of illegal immigrants, when we have kids who experience generational poverty who need those resources. Your economic arguments are just as fallacious, but that belongs in a different thread. I always love the "if you don't like it, move" argument. Ummm... you are saying that law abiding, tax paying citizens of Maryland should move to make way for illegal economic migrants. That will definitely end well.

These people PAY taxes too. And, those illegals are the ones who care for your kids, clean your house and do your yard among other things. So, its ok they do all your dirty work but not have their kids educated along side yours?

Such a tired, elitist argument. You want to maintain your source of cheap labor so that you can exploit them. Great, but quit doing it on the backs of the middle class families in MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

You are delusional. Of course resources have been shifted because of large numbers of immigrants to MCPS. Earlier in the decade, we had approximately 1500 new immigrant kids arriving EVERY year. That is a new school's worth. You can find the demographic numbers to see the shift. And where do you think those "state" tax dollars come from? MoCo. In addition, ELL kids ultimately slow down the teaching of native born students. Those classes just cannot make the same progress.

Trying to shut down people by calling them racist? Yes, it is OK for people to say that it is frustrating to spend our tax dollars educating illegal immigrants or the American-born children of illegal immigrants, when we have kids who experience generational poverty who need those resources. Your economic arguments are just as fallacious, but that belongs in a different thread. I always love the "if you don't like it, move" argument. Ummm... you are saying that law abiding, tax paying citizens of Maryland should move to make way for illegal economic migrants. That will definitely end well.

These people PAY taxes too. And, those illegals are the ones who care for your kids, clean your house and do your yard among other things. So, its ok they do all your dirty work but not have their kids educated along side yours?

Speak for yourself. We have never hired illegal immigrants for any of those jobs. Oh, and we are immigrants, too. Our kids top students scoring on the 99th MAP percentiles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The best way to help them is by dragging down my middle to high-performing kids from high income earning households that still opt into this idiotic public school system because it’s too okay to leave even though we could afford a private, our kids are extremely happy there, but we are seeing the deficiencies in it all over the place. Keep dragging my kids down and that will definitely lift the low performing kids up right? Right? Right? Just kidding, one day we will leave and take our extremely high rate of parental involvement, teacher support, and all the other things we do to contribute to the public school system With us.

You really think only rich families like yours have smart kids... oh my.... yes, us low income families who live in much lesser houses who you look down on should never ever be in the same school system as your kids. But, given your high income why do you just have middle performing kids when some of us with less money have higher performing kids...

There should be more magnets at MS and HS level. High ability students of all races have different needs from those of lower ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The best way to help them is by dragging down my middle to high-performing kids from high income earning households that still opt into this idiotic public school system because it’s too okay to leave even though we could afford a private, our kids are extremely happy there, but we are seeing the deficiencies in it all over the place. Keep dragging my kids down and that will definitely lift the low performing kids up right? Right? Right? Just kidding, one day we will leave and take our extremely high rate of parental involvement, teacher support, and all the other things we do to contribute to the public school system With us.

You really think only rich families like yours have smart kids... oh my.... yes, us low income families who live in much lesser houses who you look down on should never ever be in the same school system as your kids. But, given your high income why do you just have middle performing kids when some of us with less money have higher performing kids...

Then you can send your high performing kids to magnet school and they will thrive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make seperate schools for illegal immigrants.

Make separate schools for kids who do not speak English,

Integrate them in the mainstream schools when they catch up.

Are there even enough teachers to teach ELL students?

Nope. We have immigrants coming here illegally from all over the world. It's not just Spanish speakers. It's impossible to hire enough teachers to fill the need. Also, hiring even more ELL teachers means less money for other staff. We don't have an unlimited budget. So, we throw the kids into regular classes and expect teachers to pick up the slack.

The casual racism and anti-immigrant hate is just something else on DCUM. People don't even respond to it anymore.

Do any of you people reading this understand that what the PP wrote is:

A. Greatly exaggerated. No, there aren't hordes of non-English speaking students in MCPS, and

B. Hateful? This is public school. You educate the resident kids, regardless of who they are or where they come from. That is the public education compact, and it's a GOOD thing for our long-term future, for which we need educated and socially-integrated immigrants.

If you don't like it, feel free to move or to educate your kids elsewhere. You have choices.

I'm a parent volunteer in my kids' public schools. I've seen the recent immigrants learning English. They're grateful, quick to learn and they've got tons of grit. They don't take away resources from other kids, since the state gives extra money specifically to bring these kids up to speed. These are not snowflake kids. They will grow up to contribute to the economy of the United States and prop up your Social Security benefits.

Don't let your hate shoot you in the foot.

You are delusional. Of course resources have been shifted because of large numbers of immigrants to MCPS. Earlier in the decade, we had approximately 1500 new immigrant kids arriving EVERY year. That is a new school's worth. You can find the demographic numbers to see the shift. And where do you think those "state" tax dollars come from? MoCo. In addition, ELL kids ultimately slow down the teaching of native born students. Those classes just cannot make the same progress.

Trying to shut down people by calling them racist? Yes, it is OK for people to say that it is frustrating to spend our tax dollars educating illegal immigrants or the American-born children of illegal immigrants, when we have kids who experience generational poverty who need those resources. Your economic arguments are just as fallacious, but that belongs in a different thread. I always love the "if you don't like it, move" argument. Ummm... you are saying that law abiding, tax paying citizens of Maryland should move to make way for illegal economic migrants. That will definitely end well.

They are citizens just like anyone else born in this country. Just like your kids.