What country would you rather raise kid in?

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

LOL of course you would say that. The "what aboutism" whenever someone points out how much more labor mothers do is really not a good look. And if you were trying to genuinely convince people that the Nordic countries (and its fans) are truly all about egalitarianism and equality for women, you just blew up your argument.

LOL. Because I know that mothers are women and fathers are men? Female parents are called mothers and male parents are called fathers? That the labor of *parenthood* is what you probably think you were talking about?

I also don’t give a single sh!t about “egalitarianism and equality for women”. I just know that Nordic countries produce happier, more competent people than the US (which includes men, women, and children).

Maybe Laura Ingraham can read you a bedtime story tonight while you rage cry.

Oh right, the whole "mothers and fathers are different, so who cares if the mother does all the work?" argument. It's okay, you dont have to keep arguing. You already proved the PP's point about how regressive the "egalitarianism" of Nordic countries are, and how said egalitarianism is often used as a smoke screen to dump all the labor on women. Actually, you proved her point quite beautifully, better than she could have herself. What a backwards, regressive person you are.

I honestly have no idea what you’re even talking about.

Please, explain to me like I’m 5:
1). In what specific way(s) are the Nodric countries are “regressive” when it comes to gender egalitarianism
2). How said alleged regressiveness “dumps all the labor on women”
And 3) how I personally have proved “that point quite beautifully”

Please show your work.

Honestly, just click "open thread" and scroll back to the first PP who gave a really well reasoned explanation of her problem with Nordic countries, particularly how the burden of parenting labor is actually unduly placed on women under the guise of egalitarianism. You may literally be 5, it kind of seems that way, but I'm not about to explain it you like you are when you simply could have read the thread before engaging/arguing.
Your misogyny, rude mocking of concerns about women's parening/motherhood labor as "Go cry and listen to Laura Ingraham" has exposed you as nothing more than your run of the mill, regressive, backwoods misogynist. You can move to Norway all you want, you're still a dyed in the wool troglodyte with a third world view of women's labor. But thank you for making that so clear and again, proving women's point about the hidden misogyny in the Nordic culture

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

The US isn't that far off, way higher than the vast majority of countries in the rest of the world. For example, happier than the happiest country in eastern asia, by a good margin

As stated, " The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries." Yes, Japan and S Korea are below the US. But, the US is below most other developed countries. That's quite shameful given how we are richer than most of those other countries that are happier than we are.

Why is it shameful? Is it "shameful" of Japan and South Korea as well?

Yes, it is.. but we are not living in Japan or S. Korea.

BTW, I'm Korean American.

Japan and Korea are also substantially below the US happiness rates, so I suppose they deserve to be shamed more as well.

PP here.. but they aren't as wealthy as the US, so actually, the US should get shamed more.

I disagree. I think they deserve much more shame, especially because of how much drastically lower their happiness levels are. Shame on them!

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

ok, but why do you think they move there? And also, my post is a response to the PP's post of "nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there".

Out of convenience? Didnt we just say that?

That wasn't the point of the ^PP's post, but what difference does it make? Americans are moving to Canada.

Point of the thread: what country would you rather raise your kid in?

Answer: Canada

PP's response: no on moves there

My response: actually, there are people who move there

The point is, no one seems to really want to go there or dream of the place. Moving somewhere out of sheer convenience and ease is hardly some kind of glowing recommendation

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

I doubt that. Let's check the number of Canadians who move to America...

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

The US isn't that far off, way higher than the vast majority of countries in the rest of the world. For example, happier than the happiest country in eastern asia, by a good margin

As stated, " The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries." Yes, Japan and S Korea are below the US. But, the US is below most other developed countries. That's quite shameful given how we are richer than most of those other countries that are happier than we are.

Why is it shameful? Is it "shameful" of Japan and South Korea as well?

Yes, it is.. but we are not living in Japan or S. Korea.

BTW, I'm Korean American.

Yes you’ve said this a million times on many threads

do you think there is just one Korean American on this forum?

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

ok, but why do you think they move there? And also, my post is a response to the PP's post of "nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there".

Out of convenience? Didnt we just say that?

That wasn't the point of the ^PP's post, but what difference does it make? Americans are moving to Canada.

Point of the thread: what country would you rather raise your kid in?

Answer: Canada

PP's response: no on moves there

My response: actually, there are people who move there

The point is, no one seems to really want to go there or dream of the place. Moving somewhere out of sheer convenience and ease is hardly some kind of glowing recommendation

? "no one seems to really want to go there " -- even if it is convenient, the fact is, many people are moving there.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

I doubt that. Let's check the number of Canadians who move to America...

Well I wasn't just talking about Canada but ok doubt away. Opinions are like aholes!

It is factually very difficult and expensive to move to another country, and that is an obstacle to many who may otherwise seriously consider it. I, for instance, in a future December where something awful happened in November would very much pack up and move to many of the countries talked about here (Nordic, France, Canada, parts of Europe like Austria/Germany/Ireland/Switzerland) if it was logistically feasible. But with three young kids it would be almost prohibitively hard.

And I say that as someone who genuinely does believe the US is an excellent place to raise a family if your household is taking in more than 100k a year. But it is a time of great strife and change, things do happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

I doubt that. Let's check the number of Canadians who move to America...

People move because of jobs or other reasons, but OP is asking "What country would you rather raise kid in? " Are Canadians moving to the US because they *want* to raise their kids here?

Who on earth would want to move here just to raise kids with so many school shootings? I get wanting to move here because of jobs, better opportunities, but not solely to raise their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

ok, but why do you think they move there? And also, my post is a response to the PP's post of "nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there".

Out of convenience? Didnt we just say that?

That wasn't the point of the ^PP's post, but what difference does it make? Americans are moving to Canada.

Point of the thread: what country would you rather raise your kid in?

Answer: Canada

PP's response: no on moves there

My response: actually, there are people who move there

The point is, no one seems to really want to go there or dream of the place. Moving somewhere out of sheer convenience and ease is hardly some kind of glowing recommendation

? "no one seems to really want to go there " -- even if it is convenient, the fact is, many people are moving there.

The point that PP was making was most people dont actually seem very impressed or interest in moving to Canada. moving there cause it's literally right next door and easy hardly disproves that

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

I doubt that. Let's check the number of Canadians who move to America...

People move because of jobs or other reasons, but OP is asking "What country would you rather raise kid in? " Are Canadians moving to the US because they *want* to raise their kids here?

Who on earth would want to move here just to raise kids with so many school shootings? I get wanting to move here because of jobs, better opportunities, but not solely to raise their kids.

Probably.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

If it was as easy to move to Canada as it was to move to New Jersey more people would move there. People always talk about these type of moves but they are actually pretty difficult and expensive to actually execute on.

I doubt that. Let's check the number of Canadians who move to America...

People move because of jobs or other reasons, but OP is asking "What country would you rather raise kid in? " Are Canadians moving to the US because they *want* to raise their kids here?

Who on earth would want to move here just to raise kids with so many school shootings? I get wanting to move here because of jobs, better opportunities, but not solely to raise their kids.

Probably.

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Anonymous wrote:If you did not live in the USA, where would you choose to raise your kids? Serious question as we are exploring other countries to move to. Looking for a slower pace, less reliance on cars to get everywhere, better air quality and soil quality, and more focus on community.

Jamaica

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

LOL of course you would say that. The "what aboutism" whenever someone points out how much more labor mothers do is really not a good look. And if you were trying to genuinely convince people that the Nordic countries (and its fans) are truly all about egalitarianism and equality for women, you just blew up your argument.

LOL. Because I know that mothers are women and fathers are men? Female parents are called mothers and male parents are called fathers? That the labor of *parenthood* is what you probably think you were talking about?

I also don’t give a single sh!t about “egalitarianism and equality for women”. I just know that Nordic countries produce happier, more competent people than the US (which includes men, women, and children).

Maybe Laura Ingraham can read you a bedtime story tonight while you rage cry.

Oh right, the whole "mothers and fathers are different, so who cares if the mother does all the work?" argument. It's okay, you dont have to keep arguing. You already proved the PP's point about how regressive the "egalitarianism" of Nordic countries are, and how said egalitarianism is often used as a smoke screen to dump all the labor on women. Actually, you proved her point quite beautifully, better than she could have herself. What a backwards, regressive person you are.

I honestly have no idea what you’re even talking about.

Please, explain to me like I’m 5:
1). In what specific way(s) are the Nodric countries are “regressive” when it comes to gender egalitarianism
2). How said alleged regressiveness “dumps all the labor on women”
And 3) how I personally have proved “that point quite beautifully”

Please show your work.

Honestly, just click "open thread" and scroll back to the first PP who gave a really well reasoned explanation of her problem with Nordic countries, particularly how the burden of parenting labor is actually unduly placed on women under the guise of egalitarianism. You may literally be 5, it kind of seems that way, but I'm not about to explain it you like you are when you simply could have read the thread before engaging/arguing.
Your misogyny, rude mocking of concerns about women's parening/motherhood labor as "Go cry and listen to Laura Ingraham" has exposed you as nothing more than your run of the mill, regressive, backwoods misogynist. You can move to Norway all you want, you're still a dyed in the wool troglodyte with a third world view of women's labor. But thank you for making that so clear and again, proving women's point about the hidden misogyny in the Nordic culture

Got it. You can’t back up any of your bizarre claims. (FTR PP didn’t have a well reasoned explanation either. She just stated that Nordic countries are regressive. You do know that anyone can say literally anything, right? Doesn’t mean it’s remotely true. Idiot.)

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

LOL of course you would say that. The "what aboutism" whenever someone points out how much more labor mothers do is really not a good look. And if you were trying to genuinely convince people that the Nordic countries (and its fans) are truly all about egalitarianism and equality for women, you just blew up your argument.

LOL. Because I know that mothers are women and fathers are men? Female parents are called mothers and male parents are called fathers? That the labor of *parenthood* is what you probably think you were talking about?

I also don’t give a single sh!t about “egalitarianism and equality for women”. I just know that Nordic countries produce happier, more competent people than the US (which includes men, women, and children).

Maybe Laura Ingraham can read you a bedtime story tonight while you rage cry.

Oh right, the whole "mothers and fathers are different, so who cares if the mother does all the work?" argument. It's okay, you dont have to keep arguing. You already proved the PP's point about how regressive the "egalitarianism" of Nordic countries are, and how said egalitarianism is often used as a smoke screen to dump all the labor on women. Actually, you proved her point quite beautifully, better than she could have herself. What a backwards, regressive person you are.

I honestly have no idea what you’re even talking about.

Please, explain to me like I’m 5:
1). In what specific way(s) are the Nodric countries are “regressive” when it comes to gender egalitarianism
2). How said alleged regressiveness “dumps all the labor on women”
And 3) how I personally have proved “that point quite beautifully”

Please show your work.

Honestly, just click "open thread" and scroll back to the first PP who gave a really well reasoned explanation of her problem with Nordic countries, particularly how the burden of parenting labor is actually unduly placed on women under the guise of egalitarianism. You may literally be 5, it kind of seems that way, but I'm not about to explain it you like you are when you simply could have read the thread before engaging/arguing.
Your misogyny, rude mocking of concerns about women's parening/motherhood labor as "Go cry and listen to Laura Ingraham" has exposed you as nothing more than your run of the mill, regressive, backwoods misogynist. You can move to Norway all you want, you're still a dyed in the wool troglodyte with a third world view of women's labor. But thank you for making that so clear and again, proving women's point about the hidden misogyny in the Nordic culture

Got it. You can’t back up any of your bizarre claims. (FTR PP didn’t have a well reasoned explanation either. She just stated that Nordic countries are regressive. You do know that anyone can say literally anything, right? Doesn’t mean it’s remotely true. Idiot.)

You’re overly defensive. I’m the one who wrote the list about Nordic countries. That’s a personality trait I’ve noticed about Scandinavians. Extreme hostility if anything negative is mentioned about their country. Everyone seems to drink the koolaid and thinks everything is perfect.