Culture essay question. Feels like a trap

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

If we do not have physicians of color and wait out improving education for k-12 (which would take maybe 5-6 decades minimum to get on equal footing), we will have a health crisis for our communities of color. Not every thing can just be stalled out for the broaches of Meritocracy.

We've had AA for over 5 decades. Where's all the K-12 progress you say would happen in parallel with racial preferences?

Nobody wants the doctor that got into medical school because of their skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

Yeah, it is. It's a perfectly valid answer. Especially when those non-minority groups are wildly overrepresented and benefit from systemic biases that ensure their continued overrepresentation.

We disagree. I don’t want any discrimination against anyone. Systematic biases aren’t accounting for high SAT scores.

If you’re fine with gutting athletic departments, fine arts recruitment, geographic diversity, socioeconomic diversity, legacy, gender minority recruitment in STEM, veterans and community college recruitment-based admissions such as at Princeton for transfer, and probably 10 more other admissions boosts for the application process then I totally agree. Our universities will be blander, but it follows your no discrimination. Also get rid of those extracurriculars- just a vague playground for rich students. Only GPA and SAT and AP coursework. Imagine how good that system would be

FYI: I am a minority and I still think minorities should not have a different review standard.

And your bias is showing. If you aren’t intelligent like other demographics, your race shouldn’t be there

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

How does AA affect congress? Are you talking about redistricting?

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

The only way to get institutional diversity is to select for it. Doesn't matter if it's for income distribution, athletics, the music program, ethnicity, or gender (in some cases). An institution is not going to field their varsity athletic teams if they dont select students that participate in those sports. They may not get a talented oboist to replace the graduating one, if they dont select for it. Nobody cries 'discrimination' for the trumpeter that allegedly lost 'their' spot to the oboist.

IMHO, absolutely nothing wrong with an institution seeking a population that reflects the societal diversity in the US. Also nothing wrong with seeking enough representation of groups such that they can feel included and not the 'only one' on campus. This isn't 'discrimination' of another group if another group is represented and sometimes even over-represented.

The supreme court and the constitution disagrees with you.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

If we do not have physicians of color and wait out improving education for k-12 (which would take maybe 5-6 decades minimum to get on equal footing), we will have a health crisis for our communities of color. Not every thing can just be stalled out for the broaches of Meritocracy.

We've had AA for over 5 decades. Where's all the K-12 progress you say would happen in parallel with racial preferences?

Nobody wants the doctor that got into medical school because of their skin color.

Yes, luckily those doctors don’t exist and you are just this small thing we call Racist.

There’s a glut of med school applicants and an artificial low amount of seats to keep doctor salaries high. Everyone who gets the chance is qualified, and It’s repulsive that you think med school boards want incompetent people in their classes. If you can’t trust a doctor that had to go through the admissions process, completed board exams and has gone through residency…that’s a you issue.

Yes affirmative action has been in place a while. Turns out economically depriving an entire race for the skin color for centuries kinda pushes people back. If you want examples of highly successful black people who are benefiting from the system, the bulk are foreign born or immigrant parent kids, just like Asian Americans who were selected from the wealthiest in their societies.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

The only way to get institutional diversity is to select for it. Doesn't matter if it's for income distribution, athletics, the music program, ethnicity, or gender (in some cases). An institution is not going to field their varsity athletic teams if they dont select students that participate in those sports. They may not get a talented oboist to replace the graduating one, if they dont select for it. Nobody cries 'discrimination' for the trumpeter that allegedly lost 'their' spot to the oboist.

IMHO, absolutely nothing wrong with an institution seeking a population that reflects the societal diversity in the US. Also nothing wrong with seeking enough representation of groups such that they can feel included and not the 'only one' on campus. This isn't 'discrimination' of another group if another group is represented and sometimes even over-represented.

The supreme court and the constitution disagrees with you.

But they really really don’t. DP, but the Supreme Court perfectly allowed you to add diversity essays and let students in for showing their diversity matters.

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My daughter’s common app essay drew heavily from her Asian heritage. It was authentic to her, and she got into 7 of the ten schools she applied to, all with offers of merit aid.

Please don’t pass your thinking onto your child. Let them be who they are. A school who wants someone like them will welcome them with open arms (and you don’t want to send them somewhere where they are not welcome).

There is empirical evidence that selective schools discriminated against asians.
Don't be naive.

I am familiar with those data and interpret them differently than you.

Grades and SAT scores are not the preeminent criteria you perceive them to be, in the eyes of many, so your “data” pool is too narrow.

New poster: it is the criteria that admissions deems them to be…for non-minorities. It is what it is.

Do you think that the minority applicant pool doesn’t have any academic talent or?

About half the black kids at harvard belong there but the other half belong at Penn. This means that almost none of the black kids at Penn belong at Penn, they all belong at Cornell and Dartmouth. The black Cornell kids mostly belong at Georgetown and NYU. And the gap keeps getting bigger and bigger as you go down the selectivity ladder because each tier takes more than its share.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

Yeah, it is. It's a perfectly valid answer. Especially when those non-minority groups are wildly overrepresented and benefit from systemic biases that ensure their continued overrepresentation.

We disagree. I don’t want any discrimination against anyone. Systematic biases aren’t accounting for high SAT scores.

If you’re fine with gutting athletic departments, fine arts recruitment, geographic diversity, socioeconomic diversity, legacy, gender minority recruitment in STEM, veterans and community college recruitment-based admissions such as at Princeton for transfer, and probably 10 more other admissions boosts for the application process then I totally agree. Our universities will be blander, but it follows your no discrimination. Also get rid of those extracurriculars- just a vague playground for rich students. Only GPA and SAT and AP coursework. Imagine how good that system would be

FYI: I am a minority and I still think minorities should not have a different review standard.

Why did you bring this up? Other poster could be a minority. It doesn’t matter. Argue with facts, not your identity.

Grow up. Seriously- you will convince no one with your attitude and retorts.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

How does AA affect congress? Are you talking about redistricting?

What a bizarre question. Our current democrat presidential pick and vice president is a product of busing programs and diversity programs. Most of the sitting African American politicians in the government are “diversity hires”

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Privilege still trumps race. So this essay is the last remaining lever.

And racism is alive and well. I’m a little bitter that asian kids can’t be fully themselves in this process. Racism is shitty

So you're sorry that your racial preferences are at the expense of asians but you support it nonetheless

DP, but why is it wrong for campus’s to not be 50%+ Asian. White students are artificially limited, because we recognize a diverse environment and yeah…it makes college awesome, more interesting, and frankly less echo chamber-y. My first real discussion on Policing happened in a seminar with a black student who was low income advocating for MORE police, while a white liberal student harped on institutional racism, and an Asian American student had ambivalence between no police at all and the effects of crime. Those great discussions can only really spur with diverse living experiences, and if any of us are being honest, top colleges’ Asian populations are 70+% Chinese, Korean, and Japanese.

+1. HBCUs could rival Harvard academically and they would still turn off a large swath of students looking for diversity. The most competitive schools will want to have at least enough of any particular demographic to avoid top diverse candidates choosing other schools for a better sense of community.

That seems to be what the better universities are doing. Asians are overrepresented because they are generally better students. But most schools will make sure that at least 12-13 percent of their students are black - roughly matching US population - so that talented black students always find community. It's 2024. Racially exclusive colleges are weird.

Outside of america, almost every college is racially exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

Yeah, it is. It's a perfectly valid answer. Especially when those non-minority groups are wildly overrepresented and benefit from systemic biases that ensure their continued overrepresentation.

We disagree. I don’t want any discrimination against anyone. Systematic biases aren’t accounting for high SAT scores.

If you’re fine with gutting athletic departments, fine arts recruitment, geographic diversity, socioeconomic diversity, legacy, gender minority recruitment in STEM, veterans and community college recruitment-based admissions such as at Princeton for transfer, and probably 10 more other admissions boosts for the application process then I totally agree. Our universities will be blander, but it follows your no discrimination. Also get rid of those extracurriculars- just a vague playground for rich students. Only GPA and SAT and AP coursework. Imagine how good that system would be

FYI: I am a minority and I still think minorities should not have a different review standard.

Why did you bring this up? Other poster could be a minority. It doesn’t matter. Argue with facts, not your identity.

Grow up. Seriously- you will convince no one with your attitude and retorts.

No one asked them to bring up their race, and it’s incredibly immature to believe you have some authority on a topic because you were born with a skin color. It’s time people grow up and stop listening to black peoples anecdotes as facts of life

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

Yeah, it is. It's a perfectly valid answer. Especially when those non-minority groups are wildly overrepresented and benefit from systemic biases that ensure their continued overrepresentation.

What systemic bias is ensuring asian over-representation?

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Privilege still trumps race. So this essay is the last remaining lever.

And racism is alive and well. I’m a little bitter that asian kids can’t be fully themselves in this process. Racism is shitty

So you're sorry that your racial preferences are at the expense of asians but you support it nonetheless

DP, but why is it wrong for campus’s to not be 50%+ Asian. White students are artificially limited, because we recognize a diverse environment and yeah…it makes college awesome, more interesting, and frankly less echo chamber-y. My first real discussion on Policing happened in a seminar with a black student who was low income advocating for MORE police, while a white liberal student harped on institutional racism, and an Asian American student had ambivalence between no police at all and the effects of crime. Those great discussions can only really spur with diverse living experiences, and if any of us are being honest, top colleges’ Asian populations are 70+% Chinese, Korean, and Japanese.

+1. HBCUs could rival Harvard academically and they would still turn off a large swath of students looking for diversity. The most competitive schools will want to have at least enough of any particular demographic to avoid top diverse candidates choosing other schools for a better sense of community.

That seems to be what the better universities are doing. Asians are overrepresented because they are generally better students. But most schools will make sure that at least 12-13 percent of their students are black - roughly matching US population - so that talented black students always find community. It's 2024. Racially exclusive colleges are weird.

Outside of america, almost every college is racially exclusive.

Where? Not in Europe at least this isn’t true at all. I guess your world view is East Asia and East Asia alone.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

Yeah, it is. It's a perfectly valid answer. Especially when those non-minority groups are wildly overrepresented and benefit from systemic biases that ensure their continued overrepresentation.

What systemic bias is ensuring asian over-representation?

It’s not even a bias. It’s just a unique advantage of being solely selected for being wealthy immigrants to come to America. Nigerians are much the same.

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Anonymous wrote:This question was added after John Roberts said specifically this is how race could be brought up in an application.

But yes, colleges still are only looking for URM. Not Asian etc.

So if you’re white or Asian, etc, write about the pool or the gym or the neighborhood skate park.

But if you’re in a racial group they want, this is where you add it

If they don't want white and Asian students why do they accept so many?

They don't want white or Asian students.. because there are already so many of them!
Meaning it is just more competitive amongst your peers if you are white or Asian, and less if you're not. Not that schools don't want white or Asian students at all.

Really unpopular opinion but colleges love Asian students and they’re highly overrepresented and nag as if they’re martyrs because they have to go to ucla or brown instead of Harvard- their parents’ dream

Asians are over-represented and that is the problem. They have too many and need to be more selective with asians in order to avoid almost half the students being asian.

Then ask Asian students if they’d be okay with low performing Asian groups receiving a big boost and see how quickly the tides change on their opinions. Same with including them in AA.

I belong to an underrepresented, disadvantaged Asian subgroup. I still very much disagree with using race or ethnicity in admissions even if it were to boost my kid's chances of admission. The problem is that when a group is favored like this, they get to college and are discriminated against because other people assume they are not smart enough to be there. I do not want this happening to my kid.

They’re going to be discriminated anyway. I went to Caltech as a minority, and it had 0% different effect on how people perceived as dumber and less successful than them. This was when Caltech had one of the most “meritocratic” admissions processes: read useless measures of academic performance which mean nothing on a national scale when we have a district-dependent education system.

People are going to discriminate against the black kids no matter if they got in on merit, got in with AA, or hell if they don’t get in, there’ll still be complaints. You can’t goody tissues yourself out of racism.

If admissions were completely race-blind then any complaints about minorities getting in would have a different basis. It would of course still feel very very ugly, and I would feel justified at being angry at people who are racist. However, I would rather not pile on top of this the belief that all members of my minority group did not have to pass the same intellectual standard to get in. That feels worse to me. I get that you feel differently, but this is my stance.

Do you think there’s a societal impact if we stop admitting diverse classes of people to be in our medical schools, congressional halls, leaders of our non profits, etc.

Yes, diversity is important but achieving it by discriminating against other non minority groups is not the answer.

If we do not have physicians of color and wait out improving education for k-12 (which would take maybe 5-6 decades minimum to get on equal footing), we will have a health crisis for our communities of color. Not every thing can just be stalled out for the broaches of Meritocracy.

We've had AA for over 5 decades. Where's all the K-12 progress you say would happen in parallel with racial preferences?

Nobody wants the doctor that got into medical school because of their skin color.

Yes, luckily those doctors don’t exist and you are just this small thing we call Racist.

There’s a glut of med school applicants and an artificial low amount of seats to keep doctor salaries high. Everyone who gets the chance is qualified, and It’s repulsive that you think med school boards want incompetent people in their classes. If you can’t trust a doctor that had to go through the admissions process, completed board exams and has gone through residency…that’s a you issue.

Yes affirmative action has been in place a while. Turns out economically depriving an entire race for the skin color for centuries kinda pushes people back. If you want examples of highly successful black people who are benefiting from the system, the bulk are foreign born or immigrant parent kids, just like Asian Americans who were selected from the wealthiest in their societies.

They DO exist. Check out the massive number of summer medical programs exclusively for minorities. Check out the stats. There was a report released showing the med school admissions rates for minorities and non minorities based on testing a grades. Guess which one allowed admits with lower stats. It’s inequitable but true.

You can’t have it this way (no doctors exist like this) AND also have it where you say that lower standards are necessary to undo past injustices. Pick a side.