Culture essay question. Feels like a trap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone understands the question can be about other things, like job. It’s stated pretty explicitly. The question is does it help or hurt to write about your Asian culture here. I’d like to know too

No one can tell you a definitive answer, just their own guesses. You might as well ask a magic 8 ball. The kid should write about whatever is important to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone understands the question can be about other things, like job. It’s stated pretty explicitly. The question is does it help or hurt to write about your Asian culture here. I’d like to know too

No one can tell you a definitive answer, just their own guesses. You might as well ask a magic 8 ball. The kid should write about whatever is important to them.

Agree with the usual caveats. Writing about your job at the pool. Fine. Writing about your private pool club. Not fine. I wouldn’t write about Korean club. Colleges want what they want. Don’t give them reasons to say no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yes, who you call American blacks, we have a special place in this country. We have been here since 1619, before the revolution, we have never been immigrants. At the same time we were not treated as fully human till the 1960s after war (where yes, white americans sacrificed many lives and that cannot be forgotten) and battle in the courts. if it were noy for this American struggle to recongize the rights of all man you would not be in this country, the flood of immigration after 1968 would not have happen if not for the civil rights movement. so yes, if colleges want to hear about how people have overcome in a society in which their not to distant ancestors, many who are still alive, were literally treated as second class citizens, take time to understand that. This country has a history, the sum of the United States is not equal to being a place people can come to espace where they came from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

This question is not there for you unless you are black or hispanic. They aren't allowed to ask your race but you are allowed to volunteer it.
This is how they can discriminate based on race without explicitly discriminating based on race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

I mean you sound like a paranoid loon. Listen to yourself. And then seek psychiatric help.

OP is right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s obviously giving students an opportunity to talk about things that can give them a leg up in admissions without engaging in affirmative action.

And that's OK. Desirable, even. These schools want diverse cohorts.

Sure, if you believe in elevating race above merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yeah you are wrong. it is more important to write something insightful than picking the right culture.

whether the culture is high school debate culture in chicago inner city schools or coal town appalachaia culture or grenwich crew boat summer lake culture or multiplay online video game culture or nft culture.

i think showing self awareness and an ability to communicate and share something interesting is the key. and creativity. that said id assume that the examples you gave would be less common and thus more interesting than the american cultures you feel a bias towards.

are you asking if there is a preference for americans? doesnt seem so

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DS wrote about the culture at the pool, where he worked with other lifeguards he just met, the first summer of Covid. At a T25.

This sounds great.

+!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At some point you need to stop worrying about trying to game the college admissions process to the nth degree.

Trying to avoid racial discrimination isn't gaming college admissions.

Just put forth your kid's genuine, best life. Say a prayer and hope for the best.

Except they genuinely don't like asians.

The kids i know who got into elite schools last year were genuinely elite people in many dimensions. Their acceptances did not hinge on one aspect of their application.

I haven't seen any studies on racial discrimination in college admissions after SFFA. I don't expect to see studies published for at least another year.

[Anonymous]

Some of you are white or naive or both

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yes, who you call American blacks, we have a special place in this country. We have been here since 1619, before the revolution, we have never been immigrants. At the same time we were not treated as fully human till the 1960s after war (where yes, white americans sacrificed many lives and that cannot be forgotten) and battle in the courts. if it were noy for this American struggle to recongize the rights of all man you would not be in this country, the flood of immigration after 1968 would not have happen if not for the civil rights movement. so yes, if colleges want to hear about how people have overcome in a society in which their not to distant ancestors, many who are still alive, were literally treated as second class citizens, take time to understand that. This country has a history, the sum of the United States is not equal to being a place people can come to espace where they came from.

So you’re not disagreeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yes, who you call American blacks, we have a special place in this country. We have been here since 1619, before the revolution, we have never been immigrants. At the same time we were not treated as fully human till the 1960s after war (where yes, white americans sacrificed many lives and that cannot be forgotten) and battle in the courts. if it were noy for this American struggle to recongize the rights of all man you would not be in this country, the flood of immigration after 1968 would not have happen if not for the civil rights movement. so yes, if colleges want to hear about how people have overcome in a society in which their not to distant ancestors, many who are still alive, were literally treated as second class citizens, take time to understand that. This country has a history, the sum of the United States is not equal to being a place people can come to espace where they came from.

So you’re not disagreeing.

so I am not disagreeing with what? please explain. honest question, i do no know what you are referring to.

[Anonymous]

With the OP. Colleges do want more Black undergrads.

You guys, this question wasn’t a supplement until the SC decision. This is the workaround. If you’re Black or Hispanic, put it here. If you’re Asian, do so at your own risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yes, who you call American blacks, we have a special place in this country. We have been here since 1619, before the revolution, we have never been immigrants. At the same time we were not treated as fully human till the 1960s after war (where yes, white americans sacrificed many lives and that cannot be forgotten) and battle in the courts. if it were noy for this American struggle to recongize the rights of all man you would not be in this country, the flood of immigration after 1968 would not have happen if not for the civil rights movement. so yes, if colleges want to hear about how people have overcome in a society in which their not to distant ancestors, many who are still alive, were literally treated as second class citizens, take time to understand that. This country has a history, the sum of the United States is not equal to being a place people can come to espace where they came from.

So a bunch of white people did horrible shit to a bunch of black people and the answer is to take opportunities earned by a bunch of asians people to give to the black people? We couldn't naturalize and become citizens. We didn't own slaves. But, OK, lets say that this is somehow fair because the asian immigrants are assuming the moral debt of the country when they immigrate here and it is somehow fair that they bear the lion's share of this moral debty. What moral debt does this country have to hispanics that asians must sacrifice so we can provide a preference to them? I mean chinese on the west coast were lynched, and hispanics were among the ones doing the lynching. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871

Why should asian opportunities be given to hispanics? There are at least as many hispanic beneficiaries of affirmative action as there are descendants of american slaves. And why should the african and caribbean immigrants receive this preference? Until very recently asians didn't show up on these shores with much more than any other immigrant, legal or otherwise. Vietnamese refugees came here with nothing. Most asian countries before 1980 had currency controls that restricted your ability to take money out of the country when you went to america.

Racism is a dirty business and the notion that there is such a thing as "good racism" is perverse.

Also, the immigration naturalization act had little to do with civil rights movement and had everything to do with the cold war and america's image on the world stage. In fact if you believe derrick bell, even the civil rights act was also largely the result of the cold war. See, interest convergence. Has it escaped you that noone was concerned about legacy admissions until affirmative action went away? Affirmative action was providing cover for legacy admissions and other white preferences, see, interest convergence.

When you make appeals like this over injustices you yourself never suffered, what you are seeking is justice and what you are getting is pity. A black man under the age of 40 (never mind an 18 year old applying for college) was not born into circumstances any worse than a poor asian immigrant in chinatown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think these schools want to hear about Asian culture, including Indian.

I don’t think they want to hear about middle eastern/North African.

I don’t think they want to hear about any Caribbean culture.

I think they’re only looking for (American) Black, Hispanic, indigenous, and rural, and first gen (but only if no specified ethnicity or one of the above).

The whole thing feels like a trap w college still stuck with their own implicit bias or not so implicit box checking.

Am I wrong? Wouldn’t you advise a kid with strong ties to, say, Egypt or China to pick a “culture” (club, neighborhood etc) that isn’t so impacted in this process?

yes, who you call American blacks, we have a special place in this country. We have been here since 1619, before the revolution, we have never been immigrants. At the same time we were not treated as fully human till the 1960s after war (where yes, white americans sacrificed many lives and that cannot be forgotten) and battle in the courts. if it were noy for this American struggle to recongize the rights of all man you would not be in this country, the flood of immigration after 1968 would not have happen if not for the civil rights movement. so yes, if colleges want to hear about how people have overcome in a society in which their not to distant ancestors, many who are still alive, were literally treated as second class citizens, take time to understand that. This country has a history, the sum of the United States is not equal to being a place people can come to espace where they came from.

So you’re not disagreeing.

so I am not disagreeing with what? please explain. honest question, i do no know what you are referring to.

DP here. You are agreeing that this question is there to low key give a preference to blacks and hispanics and you think that's a good thing because of past injustices