s/o New understanding of Harry & Meghan

[Anonymous]

Regarding Meghan's expectations upon marrying into the BRF and moving to the UK, I think she thought she was clear-eyed about it because the process of dating Harry, and the security concerns and privacy issues associated with dating him, plus the hoops she had to jump through to get engaged, and she made it through that. I think she thought it would get easier after that, and was surprised when it got worse.

I also think regarding racism, I think Meghan had experienced it in the US (in Hollywood it's part and parcel) but in the US, being beautiful and well-educated goes a looooong way to sort of forcing people to treat you equally. On top of that, she became famous and successful in a field where few people make it. So she was used to being rewarded for hard work and efforts to fit in, even if she also encountered racism.

In the UK and the rest of Europe, there is a LOT more of the brand of racism that you used to see in the US (and still do in certain places) where blackness is viewed as inherently inferior. Any amount of blackness ("one drop" racism). I think that was honestly shocking to Meghan, and deeply hurtful after growing up in California and working in Hollywood, where those attitudes are just not like that anymore. There is a still a tendency to exoticize all women of color, and black people (including biracial people) are still not given the same leeway in making mistakes or being flawed that white people are. But you can be black or biracial in California and not experience daily, offensive, racism that makes it clear people simply do not believe you deserve (or will ever deserve) to be in the same place as a white person. But that kind of racism is alive and well in Europe, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The worst position to be in the BRF is the 2nd born. You're required to abide by all of the outdated, idiotic rules but get none of the power.

The fact that the BRF wouldn't allow Harry to step back and do his own thing once he was bumped to 4th in line to the throne is insane. Imagine being 30 and still controlled and told what to do 97% of the time just because of protocol.

With all of that said, I still don't like Meghan. I think she had a princess fantasy in her head and when real life turned out to be nothing like the movies, she started doing whatever was necessary to plant the seed to leave and cultivate that growth.

Harry always wanted to leave way before Meghan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I seldom comment on the BRF threads. But there is an important point a lot of people missed about that Oprah interview. M&H implied (and in fact basically got Oprah to say) that the reason their kids did not have prince and princess titles was racism because Meghan is biracial. This was a flat out lie and they knew it. The reason is to do with a pre-existing regulation whereby only grandchildren of the sitting monarch have prince & princess titles. The children of Beatrice and Eugenie, Prince Andrew’s grandchildren, lacked royal titles for the exact same reason. And indeed, when Charles ascended that generation received their titles and they knew all along they would.

This was race baiting of the lowest and most despicable order and they deserve to be shunned for it.

Andrew’s child have the Princess title.

“Her middle names are Elizabeth and Mary, making her full name Princess Beatrice Elizabeth Mary of York, which appears on her birth certificate.”

Andrew is the child of a queen, not the child of someone who isn't in line for the throne. These are very different things.

And Harry was born to a king in waiting. Not much difference.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that Kate has paid her dues with more than ten years of flawless service while Meghan did nothing but complain and showboat for the instant she set foot in the Brad and bailed less than two years after joining then cashed in on her association with a family and institution she claimed to despise.

Yea but there’s more of an obvious payoff for Kate. William had all the money. Harry does not. So of course any rational person would bail rather than end up like Fergie and Andrew surviving off of loans from pedophiles

Meghan and Harry were out shining the king and queen to be and the BRF could not have any of it. Also why Charles did not like Diana, she out shined him 100%.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that Kate has paid her dues with more than ten years of flawless service while Meghan did nothing but complain and showboat for the instant she set foot in the Brad and bailed less than two years after joining then cashed in on her association with a family and institution she claimed to despise.

Can’t argue with this…

I can argue with this. I don't think it's okay to expect MM to be treated badly because Kate was treated badly. MM does needs to "pay her dues" to be treated respectfully. We are all entitled to respect and decency in our lives from Day 1, especially from family. And we are entitled to leave a situation that does not live up to those ideals.

Well let’s be real. Meghan knew full-well what she was getting into. I don’t blame them for leaving. I just think the “oh I wasn’t aware!” was such a phony act. Please.

I do like Meghan though, and i really like Kate. Wishing her well during Kate mania!

I don’t think she expected the racism from the family or the press.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is that Kate has paid her dues with more than ten years of flawless service while Meghan did nothing but complain and showboat for the instant she set foot in the Brad and bailed less than two years after joining then cashed in on her association with a family and institution she claimed to despise.

Yea but there’s more of an obvious payoff for Kate. William had all the money. Harry does not. So of course any rational person would bail rather than end up like Fergie and Andrew surviving off of loans from pedophiles

Meghan and Harry were out shining the king and queen to be and the BRF could not have any of it. Also why Charles did not like Diana, she out shined him 100%.

Agree with this. Plus Meghan and Kate had cultural differences that they didn’t handle well at all- BOTH of them messed that up. And Meghan mistakenly believed she married into a family, not a business. I can imagine being shocked that I’d have to deal with all the backstabbing in the media with “family.” And how awful to realize this just months after your dad did the same thing to you. The tiny house was just an example of the facade the BRF puts on.

[Anonymous]

Meghan thought charm and hard work would be enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meghan thought charm and hard work would be enough.

It would have been. That and stick-to-it-iveness, which she does not have. All they had to do was stay. But they left.

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Anonymous wrote:I think M and H were jealous they didn’t receive the household budget that W&K did. He mentions it several times in the book - how much nicer Will’s house and furnishings are. But I don’t think it bothered Harry until Meghan came along.

I’m not clear that “jealous” is the most accurate way to frame this. Harry lived surrounded by relatives who were gifted quite significant properties, often with additional city apartments — when they married. It really stands out that Harry was treated differently in this regard, although maybe the best comparison for Harry would be W & K vs the Queen’s own children and cousins. What really stands out to me though, is that Meghan apparently did not get a clothing budget, but had to pay for her own wardrobe as a working Royal.

I’m not quite seeing “jealous” as much as I am seeing unfairness beyond just Harry not getting what his brother the heir got. While it might not have bothered bachelor Harry, I think it’s important to note that one of the reasons for this might have been that in his extended family, the properties and expanded budgets seem to go along with getting married — for everyone except for Harry. I get that I obviously don’t know the ins and outs of everyone’s finances. Perhaps the critical piece here is Queen Elizabeth’s generosity to her children and their spouses, and to her cousins vs Charles’s to his sons.

Interesting. I haven’t read the book, but the accusations about jealousy and being whiney remind me of how people react when I talk about how hurtful it was when my half sister was given so much more than the kids from the first marriage. When I say that my dad paid for my half sister’s college education but not mine, so many people respond with a diatribe about how entitled I sound. I am sure that Harry is to some extent spoiled and entitled (how could he not be?) but I can sympathize with his using these inequities to point out a broader problem. Of course, maybe there is just protocol the RF was following that was unfair to the “spare” but not about race.

[Anonymous]

You know if they were still in UK during this time, so many negative stories would have been fed to the press about them to keep attention off Kate.

Louis’s antics were seen as charming. If Archie went to those same events and behaved the same way, you know the press would have called him a brat and criticized Megan and Harry’s parenting.

It’s obvious Megan and Harry were smart to escape. If there is indeed something nefarious going on behind palace walls, I hope Kate reaches out to them for help. I can see Harry and Meghan offering her help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan thought charm and hard work would be enough.

It would have been. That and stick-to-it-iveness, which she does not have. All they had to do was stay. But they left.

No, not with outshining the future king and the future queen. Not with the racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan thought charm and hard work would be enough.

It would have been. That and stick-to-it-iveness, which she does not have. All they had to do was stay. But they left.

Yup. From no one asking if she’s ok, to a dilated pupils freedom flight, to
Waugh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan thought charm and hard work would be enough.

It would have been. That and stick-to-it-iveness, which she does not have. All they had to do was stay. But they left.

No, not with outshining the future king and the future queen. Not with the racism.

The slurs Chuck and Cam threw at her, how very dare they.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Harry deeply regrets his choices and misses his old life.

+1

You both think wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've said it once and I will say it again, read the Palace Papers by Tina Brown. It doesn't let anyone off easy but gave me a new perspective on all of them.

I dislike Tiny Brown tremendously. Such a pompous woman.