s/o New understanding of Harry & Meghan

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Anonymous wrote:I think M and H were jealous they didn’t receive the household budget that W&K did. He mentions it several times in the book - how much nicer Will’s house and furnishings are. But I don’t think it bothered Harry until Meghan came along.

Come on, if a parent treat 2 kids differently, do you expect they not be upset?

In that family? It’s pretty standard for the heir. They were given Frogmore and the honor a royal tour. Which they then acted like was a huge imposition.

Frogmore, the house that requires a full gut job and renovation. The costs in which Harry and Meghan paid, and they still don’t get the use of.

In contrast, look at the huge house Princess Anne was given when she got married, same for Edward and Andrew. None of these people were heirs but the Queen gave them huge properties when they got married. Giving Harry Frogmore was an intentional slight for choosing a biracial wife. If she had been white, he would have been given a nicer home.

The comparison isn't Harry to Anne, it's Harry to his other cousins. What did Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter, Zara, etc get from the queen when they got married? Anne is a child of the monarch, the rest are all grandchildren. I don't think any of them got sweeping estates.

I think that Peter and Zara have houses on Anne’s estate. I also think that Anne owns Gatcombe Park outright, so presumably Peter and Zara are in a position to inherit it.

I get making the comparison of Harry to his cousins, but keep in mind too, that Harry was a full time working Royal, and his wife Meghan was expected to be as well — unlike Harry’s cousins and their spouses. While his cousins had opportunities to create their own careers and income, Harry and Meghan were expected to represent the crown for life. Given the enormous and presumably life-long restrictions that went along with that, it stands out—to me, at least — that Harry and Meghan were treated quite differently from the other working royals, starting with their housing.

I hope that they were repaid all that they spent to renovate Frogmore Cottage.

Well, now compare Charles to his siblings. Is it Even Steven? This is Harry's world, how did he not anticipate how this would go? And I wound't say "quite differently" they all live with their parents or in much less desirable housing than what Harry had.

No, it wasn’t even, and I doubt that Harry expected that it would be, given that William would be expected to have access to properties as the eventual Prince of Wales and future King. He probably did anticipate that when he married he would get the sort of housing that other full time working royals in his family were given when they married. Why would he imagine that he’d be treated differently?

As to the next bit, please elaborate. Harry had temporary use of a tiny cottage at Kensington palace (which at different points William and other families also used). And a ramshackle group of houses scheduled for renovations, which he and Meghan renovated back into a single family home. If you’re going to talk about the “much less desirable housing” of his cousins, it would help a lot if you could be more specific — especially when “live with their parents” can mean having an enormous house on the grounds of an even more enormous estate.

The other FT working royals were children of the Queen. Harry is not, he was a grandson. He got what other grandchildren got who weren't his brother.

Beatrice bought her own house and Eugenie doesn't even live in the UK. Peter and Zara live on their mother's property and Edward's kids are minors, set to get nothing when they marry.

And none of them were working Royals. So Harry was one of two working royals — himself and his brother — in his generation of cousins. If you’re arguing that he both deserves little or nothing in the way of housing because he’s just a grandchild — while he and his wife were ALSO expected to be working royals — unable to pursue careers outside of their royal duties then, ok. I, personally, think that’s unfair, and I think that’s very different from the way generations of British Royals have been treated. So, we disagree.

Also Eugenie spends quite a bit of time in the UK, as well as Portugal. Also, also, yes, Peter and Zara do indeed live on their mother’s property. Check out their housing. They are not stuffed in basements in their mother’s three bedroom townhouse. Anne’s property is massive, with multiple homes and outbuildings. I’m curious about what you know about what Louise and James will get when they marry — but if the level of detail is similar to your comments about Peter and Zara, I’ll look elsewhere if my curiosity increases.

This is old, and, well, it is the Daily Mail, but, as an example of Zara “living on her mother’s property”, Zara’s property was getting an updated conservatory. Not too shabby.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5864565/Plans-submitted-extension-lodge-Princess-Annes-Gatcombe-Park-estate.html

Harry made out better than his cousins. That’s the point.

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How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

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I think Meghan did have expectations of grandeur when she entered the BRF, and she was utterly opposed to taking anyone's advice about how things worked there and how to go about getting what you want.

I think she lied in her Oprah interview, in a calculated way, because she knew accusations of racism would be enraging. I don't believe that there were "concerns and conversations" about how dark the baby will be. I think there may well have been chit-chat along the lines of "so, do you think the baby will take after her or after him?" I don't think anyone in the family is dumb enough to be concerned about that.

I think that Meghan was utterly unwilling to accept that BRF is not a meritocracy, and that her place in the hierarchy is forever determined and not at all dependent on her hard work. She did not want to be second to Kate because she thought herself better on merit. She is, too, but it didn't matter. The system is not set up to treat them equally. Harry should have explained it better.

I don't believe the mental health struggles because there is ample record of BRF members availing themselves of mental health assistance and advocating for it.

I do think Harry dotes on her. I don't know if she dotes on him. I think she has figured out his weak spots and delusions wrt to Diana, and she has leveraged them to cast herself as Diana #2, "they've killed your mom and they'll kill me too because I'm just like her, if you don't do X."

I think she had real expectations of being a major celebrity in the US, and it just didn't work out that way. They are well on their way to being a minor celebrity.

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I still think they are both whiny spoiled brats. They haven't done anything to change my opinion on them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think M and H were jealous they didn’t receive the household budget that W&K did. He mentions it several times in the book - how much nicer Will’s house and furnishings are. But I don’t think it bothered Harry until Meghan came along.

Come on, if a parent treat 2 kids differently, do you expect they not be upset?

In that family? It’s pretty standard for the heir. They were given Frogmore and the honor a royal tour. Which they then acted like was a huge imposition.

Frogmore, the house that requires a full gut job and renovation. The costs in which Harry and Meghan paid, and they still don’t get the use of.

In contrast, look at the huge house Princess Anne was given when she got married, same for Edward and Andrew. None of these people were heirs but the Queen gave them huge properties when they got married. Giving Harry Frogmore was an intentional slight for choosing a biracial wife. If she had been white, he would have been given a nicer home.

The comparison isn't Harry to Anne, it's Harry to his other cousins. What did Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter, Zara, etc get from the queen when they got married? Anne is a child of the monarch, the rest are all grandchildren. I don't think any of them got sweeping estates.

Exactly. Edward and Anne were children of the sovereign at the time. I don't understand why that's so hard for some people to grasp. I think they are being purposely obtuse so they can claim racism. Believe me the Firm could have made sure Harry and Meghan did not marry if they had a true issue with her race.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

It'd perfectly fine OP/PP are simply covert Meghan and Harry Stans, miffed that the New Sussex venture didn't go viral, so they have to go to tried[b] and true tactics. BRF is unfair, and racist, Meghan &Harry were forced to leave and are heroes number one examples of true love blah blah blah

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The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

But he didn't. POssibly because he knows his son better than you. ANd thus far it looks like that decision was right.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

And he probably would have, if his son stuck around.

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Anonymous wrote:I think M and H were jealous they didn’t receive the household budget that W&K did. He mentions it several times in the book - how much nicer Will’s house and furnishings are. But I don’t think it bothered Harry until Meghan came along.

Come on, if a parent treat 2 kids differently, do you expect they not be upset?

In that family? It’s pretty standard for the heir. They were given Frogmore and the honor a royal tour. Which they then acted like was a huge imposition.

Frogmore, the house that requires a full gut job and renovation. The costs in which Harry and Meghan paid, and they still don’t get the use of.

In contrast, look at the huge house Princess Anne was given when she got married, same for Edward and Andrew. None of these people were heirs but the Queen gave them huge properties when they got married. Giving Harry Frogmore was an intentional slight for choosing a biracial wife. If she had been white, he would have been given a nicer home.

The comparison isn't Harry to Anne, it's Harry to his other cousins. What did Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter, Zara, etc get from the queen when they got married? Anne is a child of the monarch, the rest are all grandchildren. I don't think any of them got sweeping estates.

I think that Peter and Zara have houses on Anne’s estate. I also think that Anne owns Gatcombe Park outright, so presumably Peter and Zara are in a position to inherit it.

I get making the comparison of Harry to his cousins, but keep in mind too, that Harry was a full time working Royal, and his wife Meghan was expected to be as well — unlike Harry’s cousins and their spouses. While his cousins had opportunities to create their own careers and income, Harry and Meghan were expected to represent the crown for life. Given the enormous and presumably life-long restrictions that went along with that, it stands out—to me, at least — that Harry and Meghan were treated quite differently from the other working royals, starting with their housing.

I hope that they were repaid all that they spent to renovate Frogmore Cottage.

Well, now compare Charles to his siblings. Is it Even Steven? This is Harry's world, how did he not anticipate how this would go? And I wound't say "quite differently" they all live with their parents or in much less desirable housing than what Harry had.

No, it wasn’t even, and I doubt that Harry expected that it would be, given that William would be expected to have access to properties as the eventual Prince of Wales and future King. He probably did anticipate that when he married he would get the sort of housing that other full time working royals in his family were given when they married. Why would he imagine that he’d be treated differently?

As to the next bit, please elaborate. Harry had temporary use of a tiny cottage at Kensington palace (which at different points William and other families also used). And a ramshackle group of houses scheduled for renovations, which he and Meghan renovated back into a single family home. If you’re going to talk about the “much less desirable housing” of his cousins, it would help a lot if you could be more specific — especially when “live with their parents” can mean having an enormous house on the grounds of an even more enormous estate.

The other FT working royals were children of the Queen. Harry is not, he was a grandson. He got what other grandchildren got who weren't his brother.

Beatrice bought her own house and Eugenie doesn't even live in the UK. Peter and Zara live on their mother's property and Edward's kids are minors, set to get nothing when they marry.

Edward and Sophie don’t even own the estate they’re living on. It’s just on a long lease.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on another forum, and on a thread about Kate/photoshop pic there is one person who continually just posts anti H+M stuff. Calling them (us? the public?) hypocrites because meghan lightens her skin or something. Like it's this persons JOB to turn every mildly negative conversation about BRF/W+K into an attack on H+M. So bizarre.

I always believed that the BRF planted stories about H+M and have been manipulating the press behind the scenes. It's even more clear now.

This is absolutely true.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry was set to get Clarence House.

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/3801756/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-residence-clarence-house/

Maybe. While it would be great if that were the case, the Sun, quoting the Mail on Sunday, attributing this to unnamed sources is not as convincing as it could be.

You are right they were supposed to live in horrible Frogmore forever.

Actually the point was that Frog more was supposed to be their cute little newlywed starter home/pied a terre and they would get a bigger place in time.

But they were impatient.

“Impatient “ about what, exactly?

Getting an upgrade. Probably after they were married for a few years, probably once Charles became king, but Harry had a tantrum and here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on another forum, and on a thread about Kate/photoshop pic there is one person who continually just posts anti H+M stuff. Calling them (us? the public?) hypocrites because meghan lightens her skin or something. Like it's this persons JOB to turn every mildly negative conversation about BRF/W+K into an attack on H+M. So bizarre.

I always believed that the BRF planted stories about H+M and have been manipulating the press behind the scenes. It's even more clear now.

This is absolutely true.

Yeah the press was always just so mean to Harry and then Meghan. They never said I kind words about them.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?