Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Excited! None of the taking test 4-6x anymore to get a 36!
34 is great!! Like it was in 2019! Move on!

Yes! I know several kids who took tests 4+ times this cycle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ And it will also stop the insanity of kids with 1460-1520 SATs freaking out and retesting because they feel these incredible scores are not high enough to submit.

Yes. Only in today's crazy environment do kids stress that their 33 ACT isn't good enough and shouldn't be submitted. It's gotten insane and causing kids undue stress. And then a kid with a 27 that didn't submit is getting in.

Yes. That happened to my high SAT kid at several schools.

Same

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that a lot of you are wrongly assuming that this will clear the path for your high scoring kids. It might a bit, but as many other posts on this board show, it is entirely possible for selective schools to bypass high scores for lower scores for many reasons. They don’t, and won’t start, admitting solely on the basis of scores and grades. Dartmouth even says as much.

We aren't assuming that.

We are seeing that requiring test submission will clear away most of the kids with lower and middle range SATs, that are now applying in high numbers to schools that they are not qualified for.

I’m just not sure this is true. The average test scores for each school will drop (just as they artificially rose when only top scorers reported their scores); that will encourage a lot of kids who might have been dissuaded by higher scores. It’s not that I don’t think think it will move the needle at all. I just think some of this celebration is premature. The Common app has made applying to 20 places too easy and that’s not going anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMC kid said this means she needs to get her 1530 up to 1550. I don't think so .. do you?

No.

It means her 1530 has returned to having value like it did pre-test optional.

Also means that the score will be evaluated in context. The "value" will be based on zip code and HS resources.

A low income kid with a 1400 has just a good a chance at Dartmouth as a UMC kid with a 1530.

Are you OK with that?

[Anonymous]

Idk who are the kids who agree to attend SAT prep centers or retake tests several times. Mine self prepped using online resources, scored high but refused to retest to go from 34 and 35 to perfect 36. They say its not worth their time to retake.

[Anonymous]

I guess kids going prep centers and retakes are either naturally very competitive or being pushedby very competitive parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Idk who are the kids who agree to attend SAT prep centers or retake tests several times. Mine self prepped using online resources, scored high but refused to retest to go from 34 and 35 to perfect 36. They say its not worth their time to retake.

My kid did not retest with a 35, nor did his friends with a 34. Hopefully, when the mean normalizes schools will go back to what the true median used to be. 34 used to be 75% at the top schools, now with only the top test scorers submitting the mean (which really isn't representative since it is only a portion of the applicants) has been pushed higher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idk who are the kids who agree to attend SAT prep centers or retake tests several times. Mine self prepped using online resources, scored high but refused to retest to go from 34 and 35 to perfect 36. They say its not worth their time to retake.

My kid did not retest with a 35, nor did his friends with a 34. Hopefully, when the mean normalizes schools will go back to what the true median used to be. 34 used to be 75% at the top schools, now with only the top test scorers submitting the mean (which really isn't representative since it is only a portion of the applicants) has been pushed higher.

^ I mean for Ivies and top 15. The mean was falsely raised during the TO years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMC kid said this means she needs to get her 1530 up to 1550. I don't think so .. do you?

No.

It means her 1530 has returned to having value like it did pre-test optional.

Also means that the score will be evaluated in context. The "value" will be based on zip code and HS resources.

A low income kid with a 1400 has just a good a chance at Dartmouth as a UMC kid with a 1530.

Are you OK with that?

AOK! Way better than now: classmate with 1400 from same school getting in over kid with 1530 bcs they had a better made up EC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idk who are the kids who agree to attend SAT prep centers or retake tests several times. Mine self prepped using online resources, scored high but refused to retest to go from 34 and 35 to perfect 36. They say its not worth their time to retake.

My kid did not retest with a 35, nor did his friends with a 34. Hopefully, when the mean normalizes schools will go back to what the true median used to be. 34 used to be 75% at the top schools, now with only the top test scorers submitting the mean (which really isn't representative since it is only a portion of the applicants) has been pushed higher.

I think we'll get the ironic situation where slightly lesser TO schools will have better average scores than more competitive test required schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMC kid said this means she needs to get her 1530 up to 1550. I don't think so .. do you?

No.

It means her 1530 has returned to having value like it did pre-test optional.

Also means that the score will be evaluated in context. The "value" will be based on zip code and HS resources.

A low income kid with a 1400 has just a good a chance at Dartmouth as a UMC kid with a 1530.

Are you OK with that?

Absolutely


A kid from a Baltimore City school where most of their classmates are illiterate who can score a 1400 SAT is clearly wicked brilliant, perhaps even a genius, and probably incredibly focused and driven.

[Anonymous]

The only reason they are doing this is to cut down on the paperwork. Way too many applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMC kid said this means she needs to get her 1530 up to 1550. I don't think so .. do you?

No.

It means her 1530 has returned to having value like it did pre-test optional.

Also means that the score will be evaluated in context. The "value" will be based on zip code and HS resources.

A low income kid with a 1400 has just a good a chance at Dartmouth as a UMC kid with a 1530.

Are you OK with that?

Our magnate schools provide SAT prep to all students on free lunch level family income but not to muddle class families. Many middle class students can't afford private prep centers, they are at a disadvantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idk who are the kids who agree to attend SAT prep centers or retake tests several times. Mine self prepped using online resources, scored high but refused to retest to go from 34 and 35 to perfect 36. They say its not worth their time to retake.

My kid did not retest with a 35, nor did his friends with a 34. Hopefully, when the mean normalizes schools will go back to what the true median used to be. 34 used to be 75% at the top schools, now with only the top test scorers submitting the mean (which really isn't representative since it is only a portion of the applicants) has been pushed higher.

I think we'll get the ironic situation where slightly lesser TO schools will have better average scores than more competitive test required schools

We already have this with the way schools report GPAs. Ivies report UW so you will see a 3.9, than our state schools report W so you see 4.4 reported. People know. Oh we know. LOl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My UMC kid said this means she needs to get her 1530 up to 1550. I don't think so .. do you?

No.

It means her 1530 has returned to having value like it did pre-test optional.

Also means that the score will be evaluated in context. The "value" will be based on zip code and HS resources.

A low income kid with a 1400 has just a good a chance at Dartmouth as a UMC kid with a 1530.

Are you OK with that?

Absolutely


A kid from a Baltimore City school where most of their classmates are illiterate who can score a 1400 SAT is clearly wicked brilliant, perhaps even a genius, and probably incredibly focused and driven.

If you can get a 1400 while at a school where the average is 890 (God help us all) then you are a very special kid.