COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

Because it was an EMERGENCY situation.
Having known several people who died or spent months in the hospital with Covid it was not something most of us wanted to just take our chances with.

Questions and dissent are most important during an emergency. No you don’t get to memory hole this.

What do you think should happen today? Are you advocating for anything in particular?

I think laws should be passed that require schools to remain open. Public health authories should be sent to school to understand risks and benefits. Strong protection of 1A rights in the pending Supreme Court case. Fixing the learning loss is going to be a long term project but the new understanding of the importance of phonics is a great step. We need to do the same for math.

Not going to happen. Please get some therapy. Truly.

Hopefully you don’t pretend to care about kids.

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

You could not be more wrong. Do you see MAGA in everything you don't agree with?

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

You could not be more wrong. Do you see MAGA in everything you don't agree with?

Ok time will tell let's see if i am proved wrong.

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After (really) old people, Covid was most dangerous for fat and metabolically unhealthy people. I never understood why we didn’t do a full-court press on exercise and healthy eating - heck, maybe free Mounjaro for anyone with a bmi over 27!

Being fat and metabolically unhealthy are still the most preventable conditions Americans die from - hundreds of thousands a year. Why not more attention on that?

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

You could not be more wrong. Do you see MAGA in everything you don't agree with?

Ok time will tell let's see if i am proved wrong.

You must like to be proven wrong. Over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:After (really) old people, Covid was most dangerous for fat and metabolically unhealthy people. I never understood why we didn’t do a full-court press on exercise and healthy eating - heck, maybe free Mounjaro for anyone with a bmi over 27!

Being fat and metabolically unhealthy are still the most preventable conditions Americans die from - hundreds of thousands a year. Why not more attention on that?

Because treating obesity is not straightforward although recent advances in pharmaceuticals are changing that.

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

does “they” include the editors and reporters of the NYTimes?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/17/us/chronic-absenteeism-pandemic-recovery.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/opinion/pandemic-school-learning-loss.html

There is a lot of room for discussion about what happened during the pandemic. But the position that “we should just move on and not criticize or learn from anything” is not discussion …

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Anonymous wrote:Haha has there already been that post about how “we had no lockdowns”? The poster who still keeps her kids in virtual school always comes in to say that.
Of course the response was stupid! Luckily the US is a federation so it was always possible to find places where people kept common sense and at least travel there if not move.
Just make sure you don’t trust the authorities blindly next time. I didn’t and I am happy I kept our lifestyle as normal as was possible under the circumstances (we were in CA, one of the most crazy states).
I wish I traveled even more than I did though.

I wish we traveled more too! We were one of the first to travel but I wish I did more. It was so nice and empty …

I know right?
We traveled to more sensible places like Florida, heck, even Cape Cod was better than CA
I had an old lady yell at us across the street for not wearing a mask though. I said sorry but if that were to happen again I would act very differently lol

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you don’t get to decide that. it’s ballsy to be so nakedly self-serving though.

they will not move on because they want revenge for having to follow what they think were democrats' rules during COVID. In their mind, someone has to pay so COVID needs to be relitigated in the public square.

does “they” include the editors and reporters of the NYTimes?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/17/us/chronic-absenteeism-pandemic-recovery.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/opinion/pandemic-school-learning-loss.html

There is a lot of room for discussion about what happened during the pandemic. But the position that “we should just move on and not criticize or learn from anything” is not discussion …

yes anyone can have a discussion but that doesn't mean the points you are making are correct. Also, the assumptions you are working under matter. If you are assuming # of deaths would have been the same or less w/o the measure taken, some may disagree with that. If you are not concerned with number of death, since COVID is a disease of those who are sick or elderly anyway, some may disagree with this premise.

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Anonymous wrote:After (really) old people, Covid was most dangerous for fat and metabolically unhealthy people. I never understood why we didn’t do a full-court press on exercise and healthy eating - heck, maybe free Mounjaro for anyone with a bmi over 27!

Being fat and metabolically unhealthy are still the most preventable conditions Americans die from - hundreds of thousands a year. Why not more attention on that?

If you are working from the assumption that preventing COVID deaths was a waste of time because it was a disease of the obese and/or elderly so the precautions, masking, and staying inside were a waste of time just to protect these people, many of us will not want to consider your perspective.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

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Anonymous wrote:Also in Sweden, they are encouraged to actually take sick leave (unlike in the U.S.), and they are probably healthier overall.

Except they’re all a bunch of alcoholics.

Europeans have a terrible relationship with alcohol generally. Lots of alcoholism and binge drinking, especially in places like France, UK, Russia and the Nordics.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

I know four separate families where someone died from Covid. Two of them were parents of young children.

Sit down with your “dealing with the aftermath” bullshit.

I really don’t care that your child has a learning gap or whatever you are on about. They will get over it.

Maybe see a professional for help with your heinously insensitive obsession with this.

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You must not be dealing with the aftermath in your family. Also, what about learning from our mistakes? Not so easy to move on when people like you are in DENIAL.

But, you are not going to change people's minds. So, now what is your plan? No one has read this thread and said oh now I understand, thank you for explaining everything to me, i didn't get it before, now I agree with you. That will never happen.