Dr. Reid replacing school discipline with “restorative justice” ?

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Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?

Is it just race based discipline?

No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.

An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.

It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.

You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying

My concern would how this process plays out when the victim is sexually assaulted, and then has to face her assailant all over again throughout this restorative justice program.

It seems like it would be re-living the assault or rape all over again, just to satisfy some unproven social-justice experiment, which focuses only on the well-being of the bully.

"Participating in a Restorative Justice process is voluntary for all parties."

Since we are talking about juveniles, are they the ones who consent? Or does the guardian/ parent(s) decide?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?

Is it just race based discipline?

No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.

An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.

It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.

You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying

My concern would how this process plays out when the victim is sexually assaulted, and then has to face her assailant all over again throughout this restorative justice program.

It seems like it would be re-living the assault or rape all over again, just to satisfy some unproven social-justice experiment, which focuses only on the well-being of the bully.

"Participating in a Restorative Justice process is voluntary for all parties."

What are you quoting from? It's not like there's just a single "Restorative Justice process," so curious.

[Anonymous]

Tldr; I have not seen the email. Can someone reply with the date and time it was sent ? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dr. Reid says she is implementing “restorative justice.”

This is a portion of Michelle Reid’s weekly update sent to FCPS parents:

"The second initiative is our Restorative Justice Program’s new Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation. This pathway program will enable trained and endorsed members of Team FCPS to operate as school-based restorative justice facilitators. By this time next year, our goal is to have two of these facilitators in each of our schools. I’m thrilled about this program and how it will support us to provide excellence, equity, and opportunity for each and every one of our students, especially those impacted by discipline disparities. [i] As I shared with the principals on Thursday, I know there likely are a lot of questions about these two initiatives! More information on our Instructional Rounds and the Responsible Pathway to Restorative Justice Facilitation will be made available in the coming weeks; stay tuned!"

Do you think this is a good idea? Will this new approach increase or decrease crime in your child’s school?

What crime? When is the last time FCPS published a summary of the criminal incidents for each school?

[Anonymous]

They tried Restorative Justice circle with DC’s bully last year and the bullying continued anyway afterwards. I also felt bad for DC who was forced to face victim and tell him how he felt in each bullying instance. This emboldened the bully and he continued right after the useless circle. Now the bully was affirmed that his tactics were emotionally disturbing DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have had a rise in discipline issues at our local schools post pandemic "school"

Honestly, the kids involved need their phones taken away and if they cannot behave, school suspension/expulsions.

They don't need to revictimize victims by forcing them to talk to their bullies and troublemakers, nor do the troublemakers need to kumbaya circle of affirmation.

What a stupid idea. Hoping and praying that at least some school board seats flip from dems to republican next week at the school board elections. We need to pull this crazy far left pendulum back towards the center.

you have no idea what your talking about. Where are the reports showing a boost in disciplinary incidents?

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[quote=Anonymous]I'm a democrat in all things, but when it comes to school boards enough is enough. Good teachers are leaving the profession in droves because the troubled kids have been allowed to take over the classrooms. And teachers can do nothing. Every other kid gets denied a quality education because so much time is lost due to the disruptive students. Post-pandemic education has nosedived and you can see it in every measurement of student achievement - math, language, everything.

It really is time to toss democrats off the school board. I don't care if republicans ban a book or two that no one reads anyway. Every child suffers when schools have been allowed to become such stressful and chaotic environments that genuine learning becomes impossible and teachers quit. Restorative justice is an attack on education and leads to much anxiety and confusion for the kids that are well-behaved and there to learn. And we lose so many teachers. No one wants to work in a classroom anymore.

Enough. [/quote]

Voters in Virginia favor Democrats on education by a 6-point margin.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just an extension of ongoing DEI virtue signaling with approaches that are not backed by evidence. It's also disturbing that it's just asserted that there are disparities in discipline. I would be willing to bet that the data do not support this. If anything students from certain groups are probably more likely to get handled with kid gloves than given consequences that might actually improve their behavior and/or the school environment. It's f'd up that families are expected to just stand by and tolerate an increasingly unsafe environment for their kids in the name of social justice.

You're really trying to rebut their "no evidence" with your own "no evidence"?

You aren't willing to bet unless you actually bet.

DP. FCPS publishes discipline statistics for schools and demographics - and they've changed. Suspensions for white children have increased and suspensions for Black children have significantly dropped. Has the behavior of the all children changed dramatically? That is unreported.

+1. I'm the PP who "betted" that there are no disparities in discipline. The claim that there are disparities rests on the notion that students of certain racial backgrounds (black, hispanic) are disproportionately targeted and punished for behavior, because of their race. This is asserted as fact because of correlational data, disregarding the possibility that, actually, kids in these groups actually are acting up more. The ideology does not allow for this to be spoken or acknowledged. I see this in research as well, which has a strong left-wing bias. The only way you'd know if students were disproportionately targeted is if you assessed if students with the exact same history and same behaviors were given different punishments. This study has not been done.

No, not “targeted.” The point of the research is the bias is much more subtle than that.

It also patterns incarceration in the justice system.

What does this even mean? Be specific.

If you are unable to follow the discussion, maybe sit it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?

Is it just race based discipline?

No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.

An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.

It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.

You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying

My concern would how this process plays out when the victim is sexually assaulted, and then has to face her assailant all over again throughout this restorative justice program.

It seems like it would be re-living the assault or rape all over again, just to satisfy some unproven social-justice experiment, which focuses only on the well-being of the bully.

"Participating in a Restorative Justice process is voluntary for all parties."

What are you quoting from? It's not like there's just a single "Restorative Justice process," so curious.

The FCPS doc linked earlier.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/RJInformationPacket.pdf

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t work with students with behavior issues. It’s good when two kids are upset with each other over something minor. In one study in Pittsburg public schools:
The academic performance of middle schoolers actually worsened at schools that tried restorative justice. Math test scores deteriorated for black students in particular

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They tried Restorative Justice circle with DC’s bully last year and the bullying continued anyway afterwards. I also felt bad for DC who was forced to face victim and tell him how he felt in each bullying instance. This emboldened the bully and he continued right after the useless circle. Now the bully was affirmed that his tactics were emotionally disturbing DC.

+1 Yep, it revictimizes the victim! The bully wins again!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reid is such a failure. Won't publish average SAT scores for each school; won't disclose current year racial/ethnic data at schools; pushes stupid "restorative justice" initiatives; and inflicts long-winded missives on others in FCPS while ignoring the real problems with academics, operations, and facilities. Get rid of this School Board and replace it with a new one that will get rid of HER.

you can ask for all this data via FOIA an publish it yourself. So do it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are some actual examples of "restorative justice"?

Is it just race based discipline?

No, it is not race based, but of course FCPS brings race into everything even when it is not there.

An example of restorative justice would be if your son has been bullied all quarter by a kid, with the admin well aware of the bullying, so instead of the bully getting escalating punishments culminating ina suspension or explusion, the counselor would gather the bully with the vistim, and have them talk about how the bullying makes the victim feel, followed by the victim publicly forgiving and affirming the bully.

It is a bully/perpetrator centered model, which outs the responsibility on the victim to make things right and gives all the power to the person doing wrong.

You forget the part where the bully escalates even further after the meeting because they've been taught there are no consequences. Like PP said, the victim has to tell the bully how their action effect them. This gives the bully more ammunition for future bullying

My concern would how this process plays out when the victim is sexually assaulted, and then has to face her assailant all over again throughout this restorative justice program.

It seems like it would be re-living the assault or rape all over again, just to satisfy some unproven social-justice experiment, which focuses only on the well-being of the bully.

"Participating in a Restorative Justice process is voluntary for all parties."

Since we are talking about juveniles, are they the ones who consent? Or does the guardian/ parent(s) decide?

Sounds like students and parents (for all involved parties) would need to consent to use RJ in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/RJInformationPacket.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They tried Restorative Justice circle with DC’s bully last year and the bullying continued anyway afterwards. I also felt bad for DC who was forced to face victim and tell him how he felt in each bullying instance. This emboldened the bully and he continued right after the useless circle. Now the bully was affirmed that his tactics were emotionally disturbing DC.

+1 Yep, it revictimizes the victim! The bully wins again!

Your DC could have declined RJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a kid at our school who has been caught with a weapon, using drugs (fentanyl), using gang signs, etc, with a suspension list longer than he is tall. But he's still in school thanks to this policy. When someone gets killed on school grounds the blood will be on the hands of Reid and the school board.

what school is this?