When the smallest doubt is treated as support of the other side

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

Its ok OP we know for you:
A=Israel
B=Hamas

Some of is do no belive in both-sidesism, we believe in right or wrong. So there is no A and B.

OP here. Yes but I had these questions with so many other conflicts or issues too.
For me, life is never simple. Everything has to come from somewhere. Even the horrible stuff that can’t be condoned, can be explained.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t debate ideas anymore, we debate loyalties.

Whew. This says it all. Whoever you are, you’ve nailed it.

+100000

People are tribal. As more an Americans identify less with a religious identity, they replace their tribalism with a political identity.

And what happens when religious identity and positions are intertwined with politicians and policy? ie the Evangelicals

What about it? The point is the amount of people with strong religious identity is declining. Secular religion is the new wave.

Secular religion? Like worshipping a politician or political party?

Not necessarily, though it could be. Fervent, bordering on religiously zealous, adherence to a cause, belief or person.

To take it out of a political context, the increase in celebrity stan culture is an example. BTS Army, Swifties, Sussex Squad, BeyHive etc.

Yup.

Trump is a religion for his hardcore MAGA followers. They speak about him as if he's the messiah and a prophet. It's very similar to fervent religious adherents.

Religion? Then we have DEI, Climate Change and Woke. You can't even see it, can you?

These examples are two sides of the same coin. Same thing, but one side blindly idolizes Trump, the other blindly follows DEI/social justice/equity nonsense. Blind belief in these competing ideologies gives them a sense of belonging, direction, and purpose that would have previously been filled by religion.

You wouldn't think the equity stuff was nonsense if you were one of the people on the short end of the stick.

You wouldn't think of MAGA as a cult if you were one of the people trying to save America from ruin.

Ah, but here is the rub. MAGA are the ones who staged a coup. After that, you can complain about the left and their policies until the cows come home. No one who actually loves their country tries to overturn an election in a violent manner, particularly now, in hindsight, when we see the planners and plotters admitting it was all a lie. Shocking that you somehow still think it was a fake election and that the coup plotters are still patriots.

Yawn. You are trying to make this some competition and are missing the point. Still stuck of the belief rather than the behavior

No one who truly believes in justice, equity and inclusion would engage in massive destruction and looting of small businesses (many of which were owned by minorities). We could do this all day. You're just so caught in your bubble, you can't see past your own "righteousness".

Do you take pamphlets with you when you proslytize?

And you are missing the point. The people protesting Floyd's death were peaceful. There is evidence, based on charges, that the deaths and rioting that took place were instigated by right wingers. You are so caught up in your bubble, you didn't know that. I posted links already in this thread and you have chosen to ignore them.

The RWNJ you’re going back and forth with is too far gone (or too well paid). All the proof in the world can’t convince someone whose sense of self is bound up in his victimhood like his is.

Use of this term is a telltale sign that you are probably in a bubble. So far gone, indeed.

Prove the bubble wrong. Prove that you aren't a nutjob. Give us credible citations of some big deep state antifa scheme.

You are completely missing the point. The whole invocation of J6 is a non-sequitur anyway.

As if differing degrees of a particular behavior negates the existence of the same behavior for the other side. No; not how it works.

Not at all missing the point. J6 is a perfect illustration. There's position A, that Trump got right wingers riled up with his lies that the election was stolen from him, along with floating the crazy idea that they result of Trump's loss could be overturned, and they stormed the Capitol as a result. There's probably a literal million data points that point to this. And then there's position B, that none of that happened, that instead somehow it was all a false flag by the "deep state" and anarchocommunists designed to make Trump and the right wing look bad. And, there's hardly any evidence at all to support this, and what little weak nonsense they have to point at, has either been repeatedly debunked, has been twisted and contorted beyond recognition (such as Epps), or was outright fabricated and circulated on social media.

Yup, still missing the point. And keying on incident as if it is determinative of the entire phenomenon. Next you are going to tell me it was actually Republicans who initiated the "Defund the Police" mantra :roll: .

You are lost in the sauce, my friend.

Clearly it was very progressive left wingers who coined the term "Defund the Police" to mean certain resources should be allocated to mental health and public safety professionals because you don't need someone who looks like they are ready for combat in the Sandbox approaching a person who might be publicly intoxicated or having mental distress; and certainly you can admit that training for police who shoot people in the back when they are running away or in their bedroom, is lacking?

But then it was the right who took the term and weaponized it to imply the left was fully anti- law enforcement all together, which of course is nonsense.

Same thing with "open borders" - of the borders were open, there wouldn't be record apprehensions and interdictions....at the border, now would there?

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Doesn’t matter how many are apprehended; what matters is how easy it is to be released into the country.
By that definition, it IS an open border.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

OP here. This is part of it. I’ll say that the expression of sympathy to the innocent victims is allowed, however nothing more is. If I say that maybe it should be easier to deliver aid - I am the enemy. If so much as mention the settlements - I am the enemy.
Next, take the Ukrainian conflict. There is a number of Russians who are suffering through no fault of their own, yet it is bad form to express sympathy for them. Saying that Ukraine has a history of corruption is also bad form.
All right, now let’s look at covid. One can’t say that the businesses or schools were only closed until there was no more money/political will to keep them closed. They are labeled an old lady killer.
BLM? Pointing out that the victim had criminal history makes you a racist.
All in all, One should not question The Good Guy!

Off topic...other than those in the Russian military, who are the Russians suffering?

People (villagers) living super close to the border are being bombed and attacked.
Lots of medications aren’t available anymore due to sanctions (despite the promise to not sanction essentials)
People protesting the war are thrown in jail
Those who have relatives in ukraine who can’t leave
Heck, even those who live abroad and it’s become a whole ordeal to visit their family

I do realize the Ukrainians are suffering x100. However it’s sad that no compassion is allowed unless it’s The Good Side.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Nobody ever said they were - except for right winger zealots like yourself, who go around saying "Comrade" as if you made a clever joke.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Nobody ever said they were - except for right winger zealots like yourself, who go around saying "Comrade" as if you made a clever joke.

You are reaching. Go to bed and stop trying to suck all of the air out of the room.

Stop gaslighting me!

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However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

Do you need articles about how many houses in white neighborhoods the BLM comrades have bought?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

Near as I can tell, the PP went on some lengthy, stilted back and forth about how other posters lost the plot for talking about J6 or whatever else - before then degenerating into their own hypocritical right wing diatribe about commies.

So now you're caught up.

[Anonymous]

OP, did you feel the same way when anyone voting for Trump was accused of being a "Nazi" or "fascist"? You don't have to be a full-on MAGA to disagree with a lot of things Democrats stand for. Here on DCUM, LWNJs will tear down anyone who doesn't toe the liberal line 100%. It's repulsive.

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However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

Near as I can tell, the PP went on some lengthy, stilted back and forth about how other posters lost the plot for talking about J6 or whatever else - before then degenerating into their own hypocritical right wing diatribe about commies.

So now you're caught up.

No, you're missing the point too. Comrade is a dumb label trotted out. Just like "troll" and "MAGA".

These posters can't see the behavior they hate in themselves and it's pretty funny.

You think authentic communists genuinely hang out on DCUM? Get real.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

Near as I can tell, the PP went on some lengthy, stilted back and forth about how other posters lost the plot for talking about J6 or whatever else - before then degenerating into their own hypocritical right wing diatribe about commies.

So now you're caught up.

No, you're missing the point too. Comrade is a dumb label trotted out. Just like "troll" and "MAGA".

These posters can't see the behavior they hate in themselves and it's pretty funny.

You think authentic communists genuinely hang out on DCUM? Get real.

Authentic communists? Not likely. But authentic MAGAs and trolls? Absolutely.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

Or if you criticize Netanyahu's settler policies you are called an antisemite.

I don't think people can legitimately attack when you cite specifics. They can try, but it's foolish.

The problem is that many people are unable to cite specifics. The example above of J6 denial shows that. Trump supporters say things like "deep state" but lack specific evidence and end up looking like fools.

Basically, people need to do better. But most people can either barely scratch the surface of a topic or are so far down a rabbit hole of delusions and fabrications that there's nothing coherent to be had from it.

The problem is you think this delusional behavior runs one way. Progressives have looked like idiots trying to walk back a number of issues on which they were demanding unquestioned fealty from all.

The likes of you cannot see this, because you are drowning in your own righteousness.

YOU are the problem.

Ahh finally there we have it. The whole intent of this thread was to try and find some way to smear the left.

Glad that's established and out in the open now.

Why are you getting defensive?

This is about behavior, not ideology or affiliation. You are exhibiting the behavior of a zealot and you are blind to it. You are the the cousin of the MAGA you so despise.

Sure, Mr. Zealous and Righteous, Mr. My Point Is The Only Relevant Thing. Whatever you say. Aye aye, Capitano.

Take it up with the OP, or start a new thread about your pet obsessions, Comrade.

"Comrade?" Sounds like something an obsessive person would say.

Look at how the PP has projected some kind of delusional image of anyone who disagrees with them of being a communist by calling them "comrade." Proved the OP's point to a T.

Another funny thing about zealots is they have no sense of humor and can't recognize sarcasm. If the shoe fits...

DP.
It’s gaslighting
“But I was joking; can’t you take a joke?!”
Classic

It's not gaslighting. You probably call everything gaslighting, to the point that the term has lost all meaning.

Everyone knows most "progressives" in America aren't really about that commie life. They enjoy comfort and capitalist luxuries too much.

Okay I’m now officially lost

Near as I can tell, the PP went on some lengthy, stilted back and forth about how other posters lost the plot for talking about J6 or whatever else - before then degenerating into their own hypocritical right wing diatribe about commies.

So now you're caught up.

No, you're missing the point too. Comrade is a dumb label trotted out. Just like "troll" and "MAGA".

These posters can't see the behavior they hate in themselves and it's pretty funny.

You think authentic communists genuinely hang out on DCUM? Get real.

Authentic communists? Not likely. But authentic MAGAs and trolls? Absolutely.

OF COURSE!

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

OP here. This is part of it. I’ll say that the expression of sympathy to the innocent victims is allowed, however nothing more is. If I say that maybe it should be easier to deliver aid - I am the enemy. If so much as mention the settlements - I am the enemy.
Next, take the Ukrainian conflict. There is a number of Russians who are suffering through no fault of their own, yet it is bad form to express sympathy for them. Saying that Ukraine has a history of corruption is also bad form.
All right, now let’s look at covid. One can’t say that the businesses or schools were only closed until there was no more money/political will to keep them closed. They are labeled an old lady killer.
BLM? Pointing out that the victim had criminal history makes you a racist.
All in all, One should not question The Good Guy!

Said with love, OP, but you’re being incredibly hypersensitive and incredibly online.

Pointing out that someone who was murdered by police has a criminal record is, at best, insensitive and might mean you’re a racist. Allegedly passing a counterfeit bill is not a crime punishable by extrajudicial death. It’s like rolling up to a funeral for someone who died of a heart attack and implying it’s their fault that they were always in the sun. Irrelevant and insensitive.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll try to make it as general as possible. What if there is a hot topic, A vs B. Say most people around you support A. You do, too, but you have questions or doubts about A, or you can understand (but not support) B’s reasoning. you don’t perceive A as something flawless.
However if you ask those questions, or even don’t support A with all your heart, you are labeled as (insert whatever insult du jour you can think of).
How to deal with it?
I find that in the most recent conflicts I can’t support one side without reservation, yet it seems like I am expected to. I am genuinely scared of all the silence is violence type tropes.

It sounds like you are talking about the Israel/Palestine conflict. Israel was attacked by Hamas and attacked back, but if anyone expresses concern for the Palestinians (not Hamas), then you are labeled and a Hamas sympathizer. I get it. Like a PP said, we are now supporting loyalties, and there is no more critical thinking allowed. It’s sad.

OP here. This is part of it. I’ll say that the expression of sympathy to the innocent victims is allowed, however nothing more is. If I say that maybe it should be easier to deliver aid - I am the enemy. If so much as mention the settlements - I am the enemy.
Next, take the Ukrainian conflict. There is a number of Russians who are suffering through no fault of their own, yet it is bad form to express sympathy for them. Saying that Ukraine has a history of corruption is also bad form.
All right, now let’s look at covid. One can’t say that the businesses or schools were only closed until there was no more money/political will to keep them closed. They are labeled an old lady killer.
BLM? Pointing out that the victim had criminal history makes you a racist.
All in all, One should not question The Good Guy!

Off topic...other than those in the Russian military, who are the Russians suffering?

People (villagers) living super close to the border are being bombed and attacked.
Lots of medications aren’t available anymore due to sanctions (despite the promise to not sanction essentials)
People protesting the war are thrown in jail
Those who have relatives in ukraine who can’t leave
Heck, even those who live abroad and it’s become a whole ordeal to visit their family

I do realize the Ukrainians are suffering x100. However it’s sad that no compassion is allowed unless it’s The Good Side.

For Russia, this was 100% a war of choice. Russia was under zero credible threat of invasion nor any other credible threat of harm. And Russia could end this war tomorrow, by withdrawing.

Ukraine on the other hand had zero choice in this. Russia intended to invade and did so with only the flimsiest of pretexts. And if Ukraine stops fighting, they will get destroyed.

So, it's not just about "suffering" nor is it about some artificial perception of "good side" or "bad side."