Proposed APS Calendar Policy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a little funny that you think this is about the teachers, and not the families that celebrate these holidays.


quote=Anonymous]No religious holidays. Federal holidays only. Why is it so hard to understand it?

If teachers worked in some other workplace and were not teachers, that is what they would get - Federal holidays. They could use their leave days for religious holidays.

They could but then we're right back to the problem of no instruction because there's a sub, or sometimes there isn't a sub.

I would love to see some evidence that Diwali absences were straining APS operationally. Because as far as I know they never collected any such data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a little funny that you think this is about the teachers, and not the families that celebrate these holidays.


quote=Anonymous]No religious holidays. Federal holidays only. Why is it so hard to understand it?

If teachers worked in some other workplace and were not teachers, that is what they would get - Federal holidays. They could use their leave days for religious holidays.

They could but then we're right back to the problem of no instruction because there's a sub, or sometimes there isn't a sub.

I would love to see some evidence that Diwali absences were straining APS operationally. Because as far as I know they never collected any such data.

And it's more than that too. It's disruptive to everyone when a good chunk of kids are out on the same day like for a religious holiday when school is held. Teachers will be less likely to teach new content on that day, or to give an exam, which holds everyone back. Or if they do, then teachers have to take their time to catch up the kids who are out. And obviously huge disadvantage to the kids who are out, but my point is that it impacts teachers and other students too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

Don’t care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s a little funny that you think this is about the teachers, and not the families that celebrate these holidays.


quote=Anonymous]No religious holidays. Federal holidays only. Why is it so hard to understand it?

If teachers worked in some other workplace and were not teachers, that is what they would get - Federal holidays. They could use their leave days for religious holidays.

They could but then we're right back to the problem of no instruction because there's a sub, or sometimes there isn't a sub.

I would love to see some evidence that Diwali absences were straining APS operationally. Because as far as I know they never collected any such data.

And it's more than that too. It's disruptive to everyone when a good chunk of kids are out on the same day like for a religious holiday when school is held. Teachers will be less likely to teach new content on that day, or to give an exam, which holds everyone back. Or if they do, then teachers have to take their time to catch up the kids who are out. And obviously huge disadvantage to the kids who are out, but my point is that it impacts teachers and other students too.

Granting excused absences seems far less disruptive than, you know, actually closing school and producing a calendar with more four day weeks than five day weeks for the first half the year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

Don’t care

Yeah, we get it. You’re a d1ck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No religious holidays. Federal holidays only. Why is it so hard to understand it?

If teachers worked in some other workplace and were not teachers, that is what they would get - Federal holidays. They could use their leave days for religious holidays.

So you still don’t understand that if a teacher isn’t watching the kids some one else has to? We can’t find subs to watch the children when the teachers are out on religious holiday.
Is it okay to stop bus service on religious holidays but still have school? We can’t find bus drivers either. Have school but not serve hot lunch?
As a teacher I like routine but I am so very tired of covering another class or having my assistant cover another class. If this were a day care our license would be revoked for lack of staffing.

It isn't about teachers getting religious holidays off. It's about students having their religious holidays off to "celebrate" them with their families; and about appearing to be inclusive and respectful of everyone and everything. so once you give one religious holiday off, you have to go down the rabbit hole and recognize all of them or be accused of racism/anti-name your faith/privileged/etc

Exactly. And APS is still picking and choosing which religious holidays to acknowledge. And PP is right. Legal
Precedent requires APS to have a secular reason to honor religious holidays. Won’t be surprised if this ends up being another expensive APS mistake.

[Anonymous]

This is so out of control. The best part is no one who makes decisions even sees this or cares. APS will do what they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

Don’t care

Yeah, we get it. You’re a d1ck.

Agreed. There are a lot of d1cks on here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

What’s disheartening is throwing the term equity around any time someone says something you don’t agree with because you don’t understand what equity actually means.

[Anonymous]

For the next school year, the week before winter break is a 2-day week. I think it’s very likely that there will be more absences on those two days than there have historically been for (for example) on Diwali. But it still makes sense to have the school days for all those who do show up, & to be able to count those days.

[Anonymous]

At this point, there is not a perfect schedule that will work for all APS families. They need to make a decision and set it in stone and be done so people can start planning. Especially for families that need to find coverage or care for holidays/breaks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

Don’t care

Yeah, we get it. You’re a d1ck.

Agreed. There are a lot of d1cks on here.

Yes, they have their own little group. You may gave heard of it: APE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We would jump for joy if APS did more of a spring, fall, winter and then summer break with just federal holidays off. The amount of other holidays they are off is so disruptive. And, we are a family that technically celebrates one of the "other" religious holidays. We use to just pull our kiddos out if we wanted to, otherwise, they stayed in school.

I hope you send in a comment. Have heard from other parents that all of these days off are equally disruptive for their children and they really just want to have excused absences and no tests/due date and make sure those expectations are enforced.

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The amount of days off and holidays outpaces any other working profession. No working parent can reasonably match the days that require care.

Exactly - there are more days off during the school year than I get in holidays and paid time off (where sick leave and vacation time are combined). Even if I used up ALL of my annual leave, I STILL wouldn't have enough to cover all of the days off that students have during the school year, let alone summer break. Also hope that no one gets sick because that means I would have even less leave available for school year childcare during scheduled closings. And I'm lucky -- I actually GET paid leave.

So you pay for alternate child care. There are always camps for all these days off. If you don't make enough money to pay for these things, time to re-evaluate the cost-benefit analysis of both parents working and the rest of your budget.

And what about single-parent households?

Have children with a person who can offer financial support once they've procreated.

This type of stuff is not the school district's responsibility. They are a public good to educate your children and that's it. Everything in life is not for someone else to solve for you.

Guess you are not for equity.

Equity is at the bottom of my list. If on it at all

Same!

Wow. That's disheartening.

Don’t care

Yeah, we get it. You’re a d1ck.

Agreed. There are a lot of d1cks on here.

Yes, they have their own little group. You may gave heard of it: APE.

Bahahahahahha too funny!

[Anonymous]

When will a final decision be made about the schedule???