Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

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Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

Teachers have the right to call cops. I don't know why they don't do it.

Because there is pressure from admin and Central Office to NOT call the police. Admin at the school does NOT want the police being called daily for all the various violations (assault, drugs, etc). It reflect poorly on the school and does not look good in terms of Equity.

Do you remember the Rockville rape case? They did not call the police. Remember the Damascus rape case? The Principal clearly did not want the police called. It all came out in the WaPo article.

Then these people should ensure that discipline and RJ are implemented well. Every infraction doesn’t require suspension or expulsion but it does require accountability, remediation, and respect.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

Yes, assault is assault even when it's perpetrated by a minor. This is a matter for the courts to work out.

Unfortunately, the MD legislature changed how juveniles are prosecuted last year. Minors under 13 won't be charged with crimes by the DA. Not that I am advocating for minors to be incarcerated, but consequences still need to happen. It's a natural way for humans to learn. Nothing wrong with an appropriate consequence. I'm worried about the future implications of this if it is not monitored very closely.

https://www.wmar2news.com/maryland-legislature-looking-at-juvenile-justice-reform-in-the-upcoming-session

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/maryland-juvenile-justice-reform-law-impact/42679696#:~:text=The%20sweeping%20legislation%20that%20took,prohibits%20detention%20for%20misdemeanor%20cases.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

That's all good and well and I get you are bitter, but it doesn't explain why MCPD isn't doing their job.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

Yes, assault is assault even when it's perpetrated by a minor. This is a matter for the courts to work out.

Unfortunately, the MD legislature changed how juveniles are prosecuted last year. Minors under 13 won't be charged with crimes by the DA. Not that I am advocating for minors to be incarcerated, but consequences still need to happen. It's a natural way for humans to learn. Nothing wrong with an appropriate consequence. I'm worried about the future implications of this if it is not monitored very closely.

https://www.wmar2news.com/maryland-legislature-looking-at-juvenile-justice-reform-in-the-upcoming-session

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/maryland-juvenile-justice-reform-law-impact/42679696#:~:text=The%20sweeping%20legislation%20that%20took,prohibits%20detention%20for%20misdemeanor%20cases.

As we already know, local politicians are making our schools more and more dangerous. But why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

Teachers have the right to call cops. I don't know why they don't do it.

Because there is pressure from admin and Central Office to NOT call the police. Admin at the school does NOT want the police being called daily for all the various violations (assault, drugs, etc). It reflect poorly on the school and does not look good in terms of Equity.

Do you remember the Rockville rape case? They did not call the police. Remember the Damascus rape case? The Principal clearly did not want the police called. It all came out in the WaPo article.

Then these people should ensure that discipline and RJ are implemented well. Every infraction doesn’t require suspension or expulsion but it does require accountability, remediation, and respect.

I'm all for RJ but there is a point when repeat offenders aren't responding and sterner measures are needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

That's all good and well and I get you are bitter, but it doesn't explain why MCPD isn't doing their job.

Why bother when you can just blame the schools. Sure, they aren't equipped for lawenforcement but a lot of people don't understand this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

Teachers have the right to call cops. I don't know why they don't do it.

Because there is pressure from admin and Central Office to NOT call the police. Admin at the school does NOT want the police being called daily for all the various violations (assault, drugs, etc). It reflect poorly on the school and does not look good in terms of Equity.

Do you remember the Rockville rape case? They did not call the police. Remember the Damascus rape case? The Principal clearly did not want the police called. It all came out in the WaPo article.

Then these people should ensure that discipline and RJ are implemented well. Every infraction doesn’t require suspension or expulsion but it does require accountability, remediation, and respect.

I'm all for RJ but there is a point when repeat offenders aren't responding and sterner measures are needed.

Duh. They don’t care.

[Anonymous]

MCPS and MCPD must be dragged into a room to figure out an effective solution, or this will be only worse. But keep voting for people who have more fun things to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

How many times do we have to tell you that the cops only respond when they are called and that school officials have a stated position of avoiding calling the police for reasons of racial justice and equity? The police cannot respond to crimes they aren't alerted to. This talking point is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

I think what he's saying is the cops are angry the politicians eliminated the cushy SRO jobs so they've purposely let schools turn into the wild west out of spite.

How many times do we have to tell you that the cops only respond when they are called and that school officials have a stated position of avoiding calling the police for reasons of racial justice and equity? The police cannot respond to crimes they aren't alerted to. This talking point is ridiculous.

So you're saying school officials are covering up crimes? If one student assaults another, and that student decides to press charges is the school official also charged as an accomplice for covering up felony assault?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

This is complete nonsense. Eliminating the ineffective SRO jobs does not push cops out of schools. Their jurisdiction is Montgomery county and they're responsible for enforcing laws here PERIOD. This hasn't changed.

are you really this dumb or just trolling.

Cops can't just walk into any MCPS school building. Eliminating SROs = cops pushed out of schools.

How are they supposed to know when a student is taking drugs to arrest them?

Dummy.