Restorative Justice is struggling to show success in MCPS according to students, parents

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Anonymous wrote:How and why did "accountability," "consequences" and "discipline" become bad words in our school system? Parents didn't ask for this.

Because of equity. Too many minority students were in detention or suspended.

Clarification: too many minority students were in detention or suspended for things white students did but were not given detention or suspension.

As a POC, I can 100% agree that that disparity is unfair and MCPS needs to rectify that. I fail, however, to see how Restorative Justice closes that disparity other than taking away consequences from everybody in the name of restoration and parity.

It seems like the wrong solution for the problem was applied here. What should have been done is a tightening of discipline measures to ensure consistent and fair application of them, not an elimination of discipline, accountability and consequences in the name of equity, kindness and restoration.

THIS is what we need in MCPS. Apply the same rules across the board.

This is common sense. Sadly, common sense is not common anymore.

MCPS isn't qualified to be in the business of dispensing. If and when laws are broken, it's a matter for MCPD.

Agree the real problem here is MCPS shouldn't be running it's parallel justice system at all. If laws are broken, it's a matter for MCPD and the courts.

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NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

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Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

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Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

Teachers have the right to call cops. I don't know why they don't do it.

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Public school policies are breeding monsters on purpose. Teachers are told to suck up the vicious, routine attacks. Admin is fine with it. Your safety is of no concern.

Teachers have the right to call cops. I don't know why they don't do it.

Because there is pressure from admin and Central Office to NOT call the police. Admin at the school does NOT want the police being called daily for all the various violations (assault, drugs, etc). It reflect poorly on the school and does not look good in terms of Equity.

Do you remember the Rockville rape case? They did not call the police. Remember the Damascus rape case? The Principal clearly did not want the police called. It all came out in the WaPo article.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

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Montgomery County Public Schools is in the middle of formally assessing the success of its social justice-inspired approach to conflict resolution in cases of school bullying, violence and hate bias using state-provided metrics.

Data indicates that MCPS efforts to adopt a restorative justice model may not have been effective, while students and parents question the success of its approach to conflict resolution.

The school district describes restorative justice as “an approach to building community, self-care, and conflict resolution.” The approach was first adopted in 2019 after the state passed regulations requiring schools to employ more trauma-informed practices. Within this model, principals can request a member of the central office restorative justice team to be deployed to schools as incidents arise

Restorative justice isn't struggling at all. Parents who lack access to any data are skeptical of these new methods.

Please come to my 4th grade classroom any day, stay for a day or a week, and try repeating that. Make sure you also speak to the students who don’t feel safe. A child brought a knife to school last week and said he was sorry and it was an “accident” that the knife slipped into his bag. Well that’s what he told admin to appease them even after bragging to the students that he had it. He had to stay in the office for 1/2 a day but don’t worry he still got lunch and recess with his scared classmates. The scared class had a circle and was told to understand that it was an accident. The same child beats up other children multiple times a week. The class is told to accept that he is trying to communicate his frustration. To be clear, the frustration he has is that he is being asked to do work. In our grade, there are 3 others that are also scary- 1 in each class. But they go into the halls and create massive havoc.

Teachers are not okay with being told that everything is fixed and fine because we’ve had a circle.

Why do Democrats keep voting for this crap?

Can you ping me to a Republican run area with great schools.

How about you start with some effective consequences for the school violence?

Thank goodness the thug that beat the teacher in FL in going to lock-up for a long time.

I’m just looking for a Republican run area with great schools. Can’t you just list a few?

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep

When you normalize for student demographics, Texas is the second best performing state in the US. Indiana is 3rd and Florida is 6th. Mass is easily the best when it comes to public education.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

“ The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools.”

So basically the opposite of what MCPS does.

But Dallas, Austin, Houston are all democratic. I don’t plan to live in the county.

Massachusetts is democratic.

Florida schools are terrible .

I’ll have to research Indiana. Indianapolis and Gary are democratic. Looks like Carmel might be red but they have some anti CRT stuff so I’m not a trumper just a conservative.

As a rule of thumb, if an area is blue, it's schools are good. If it's red, you get terrible schools. Yes, there are a few exceptions but in general the red areas aren't well educated.

There's a strong correlation between being educated and being Democratic. The more you think, the more you realize how corrupt the Republican ideology is.

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Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2023/02/28/mcps-students-data-suggest-failing-grade-for-restorative-justice-practices/

Montgomery County Public Schools is in the middle of formally assessing the success of its social justice-inspired approach to conflict resolution in cases of school bullying, violence and hate bias using state-provided metrics.

Data indicates that MCPS efforts to adopt a restorative justice model may not have been effective, while students and parents question the success of its approach to conflict resolution.

The school district describes restorative justice as “an approach to building community, self-care, and conflict resolution.” The approach was first adopted in 2019 after the state passed regulations requiring schools to employ more trauma-informed practices. Within this model, principals can request a member of the central office restorative justice team to be deployed to schools as incidents arise

Restorative justice isn't struggling at all. Parents who lack access to any data are skeptical of these new methods.

Please come to my 4th grade classroom any day, stay for a day or a week, and try repeating that. Make sure you also speak to the students who don’t feel safe. A child brought a knife to school last week and said he was sorry and it was an “accident” that the knife slipped into his bag. Well that’s what he told admin to appease them even after bragging to the students that he had it. He had to stay in the office for 1/2 a day but don’t worry he still got lunch and recess with his scared classmates. The scared class had a circle and was told to understand that it was an accident. The same child beats up other children multiple times a week. The class is told to accept that he is trying to communicate his frustration. To be clear, the frustration he has is that he is being asked to do work. In our grade, there are 3 others that are also scary- 1 in each class. But they go into the halls and create massive havoc.

Teachers are not okay with being told that everything is fixed and fine because we’ve had a circle.

Why do Democrats keep voting for this crap?

Can you ping me to a Republican run area with great schools.

How about you start with some effective consequences for the school violence?

Thank goodness the thug that beat the teacher in FL in going to lock-up for a long time.

I’m just looking for a Republican run area with great schools. Can’t you just list a few?

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep

When you normalize for student demographics, Texas is the second best performing state in the US. Indiana is 3rd and Florida is 6th. Mass is easily the best when it comes to public education.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

“ The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools.”

So basically the opposite of what MCPS does.

But Dallas, Austin, Houston are all democratic. I don’t plan to live in the county.

Massachusetts is democratic.

Florida schools are terrible .

I’ll have to research Indiana. Indianapolis and Gary are democratic. Looks like Carmel might be red but they have some anti CRT stuff so I’m not a trumper just a conservative.

As a rule of thumb, if an area is blue, it's schools are good. If it's red, you get terrible schools. Yes, there are a few exceptions but in general the red areas aren't well educated.

Actually, if an area is full of well educated liberals whose children behave and test well, the schools are considered “good”. Can’t get much more blue than Baltimore and DC the schools certainly aren’t good.

The data is fairly conclusive. When looking at the best and worst schools by state. 12/15 of top schools are in blue states while 9/10 of the worst schools are in red states.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

Truth!

FL is ranked #3 and couldn't be more republican..

FL is ranked #16 for PK-12.

Yes but 12 the top 15 are Democrat states. Where is nine of the 10 worst states are Republican

These rankings don’t take into account student demographics. When they normalize based on demographics many “high performing” blue states look much worse.

You can put a bunch of affluent white/asian kids into a school with subpar teachers are by most metrics it will look much better than a school with excellent teachers full of black and Hispanic kids.

If you swapped the kids at Whitman with the kids at Kennedy and changed absolutely nothing else, what do you think would happen?

They do and the problem GOP run states just want to keep down the population by suppressing education.

Quite the opposite. Banning abortion is part of the Republican effort to have lots of uneducated voters who'll keep them in power.

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Anonymous wrote:https://moco360.media/2023/02/28/mcps-students-data-suggest-failing-grade-for-restorative-justice-practices/

Montgomery County Public Schools is in the middle of formally assessing the success of its social justice-inspired approach to conflict resolution in cases of school bullying, violence and hate bias using state-provided metrics.

Data indicates that MCPS efforts to adopt a restorative justice model may not have been effective, while students and parents question the success of its approach to conflict resolution.

The school district describes restorative justice as “an approach to building community, self-care, and conflict resolution.” The approach was first adopted in 2019 after the state passed regulations requiring schools to employ more trauma-informed practices. Within this model, principals can request a member of the central office restorative justice team to be deployed to schools as incidents arise

Restorative justice isn't struggling at all. Parents who lack access to any data are skeptical of these new methods.

Then why are your public schools full of skyrocketing violence? Is that how you define education? Despicable.

Please come to my 4th grade classroom any day, stay for a day or a week, and try repeating that. Make sure you also speak to the students who don’t feel safe. A child brought a knife to school last week and said he was sorry and it was an “accident” that the knife slipped into his bag. Well that’s what he told admin to appease them even after bragging to the students that he had it. He had to stay in the office for 1/2 a day but don’t worry he still got lunch and recess with his scared classmates. The scared class had a circle and was told to understand that it was an accident. The same child beats up other children multiple times a week. The class is told to accept that he is trying to communicate his frustration. To be clear, the frustration he has is that he is being asked to do work. In our grade, there are 3 others that are also scary- 1 in each class. But they go into the halls and create massive havoc.

Teachers are not okay with being told that everything is fixed and fine because we’ve had a circle.

Why do Democrats keep voting for this crap?

Can you ping me to a Republican run area with great schools.

How about you start with some effective consequences for the school violence?

Thank goodness the thug that beat the teacher in FL in going to lock-up for a long time.

I’m just looking for a Republican run area with great schools. Can’t you just list a few?

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep

When you normalize for student demographics, Texas is the second best performing state in the US. Indiana is 3rd and Florida is 6th. Mass is easily the best when it comes to public education.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

“ The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools.”

So basically the opposite of what MCPS does.

But Dallas, Austin, Houston are all democratic. I don’t plan to live in the county.

Massachusetts is democratic.

Florida schools are terrible .

I’ll have to research Indiana. Indianapolis and Gary are democratic. Looks like Carmel might be red but they have some anti CRT stuff so I’m not a trumper just a conservative.

As a rule of thumb, if an area is blue, it's schools are good. If it's red, you get terrible schools. Yes, there are a few exceptions but in general the red areas aren't well educated.

There's a strong correlation between being educated and being Democratic. The more you think, the more you realize how corrupt the Republican ideology is.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

Yes, assault is assault even when it's perpetrated by a minor. This is a matter for the courts to work out.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You're a fool. Progressives made sure that cops were pushed out of school. The only way they can get involved in an incident that occurs on school grounds is if the admin calls the cops.

Principals wanted SROs. It was the Progressives like Elrich, and probably you, who doesn't deal with the drug use and violence in our schools, who kicked the cops out of the schools such that they cannot do as you claim they should.

Blame the Elrich and the Progressives, probably you who also support "defund the police".

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

The courts can’t do their job when YOU refuse to report the crimes perpetrated at your schools. Start doing YOUR job and report EVERY crime perpetrated at YOUR schools.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was kicked and hit by a second grade student in my class today. The student never even went to the office. I was told by admin that this might be a good opportunity to try a restorative circle with the student and counselor tomorrow. This will allow me to hear about the harm I brought on to her (for asking her to stop hitting another student) and she can hear about the harm she caused me. The goal being to repair harm in our classroom community. Guess when I get to engage in this hippie circle? You bet, my 30min. lunch. Can't wait....

I just can't. How can MCPS leadership drink this Kool-Aid and expect other sane adults to follow suit?

What an absolute joke. All that second grader is going to learn is that there are no consequences.

Really? You're saying that schools are these magical zones where our laws aren't enforced? Why is MCPD not doing their job? If laws are being broken, there are consequences that are dispensed by the courts. MCPS on the other hand is not the judiciary. Their job is to educate kids. If you want to be mad at someone, please look to MCPD who is clearly at fault.

You've turned an absolute joke into an even bigger joke. You're clearly part of the problem.