I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people are making lots of money off this stuff.

No kidding!!!

Bingo. The amount of money my law firm spends on this BS makes me want to throw up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

I’m sorry, punctuality is a problem in the work place? I think we’re all rather peeved when our meal takes 1.5 hours to come out at a restaurant or our Amazon shipment is 4 days late…

Punctuality is a result of the move towards industrial organization. Nobody, I repeat, nobody likes it on the producer side - no matter what industry you’re in, but to imply that it’s somehow prejudice is a difficult concept for me to understand. Could you please elaborate?

https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_bias_of_professionalism_standards

n a world driven by capitalism, professionalism is based on a monochronic relationship to timeliness and work style. It centers productivity over people, values time commitments, accomplishes tasks in a linear fashion, and often favors individuals who are white and Western. In contrast, polychronic cultures, while still able to get tasks completed, prioritize socialization and familial connections over economic labor. Within black and immigrant communities, there is often a deep ancestral connection to polychronic cultural orientation.

Luckily there are immigrant communities whose representatives are able to adhere to deadlines

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

No. It isn't. Having the most talented individuals for the role is better for the business. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

What tortured mental gymnastics. So POC should be allowed to be 3 hours late or it is “white supremacy?” You are deranged.

DP but I think they were joking. Hope so, at least!

Yes, there is some racist B on this board who is obsessed with DEI topics. She doesn’t have any actual arguments she can articulate so all she does is try to mock and ridicule in bad-faith. She should be ordered to undergo sensitivity training.

DP. You mean sensitivity training like this?

Funny that none of the DEI boosters have commented on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

I agree that having a diverse and equitable workforce is good. We have a very diverse staff, and people are treated pretty fairly overall. That's not what I'm referring to. Our company is having external facilitators come in and force us to have awkward and uncomfortable conversations with probing questions that I truly don't feel comfortable sharing with my colleagues. I don't want to share "the moment that I felt discriminated against" or "the moment I did something discriminatory to someone else" or "my family background and structure". None of these things contribute to me doing my job well.

NP. I 100% agree with you, on all points. I was interviewing recently and thought it went pretty well. Then the last question: "Who is the most inclusive person you know, and why?" Nothing at all to do with the job or my experience. I was completely floored and it showed. I made up some BS answer but I knew that was it. Because of some absurd, virtue-signaling question, I did not get a job I was fully qualified for.

DEI is a farce and I look forward to the day more people realize this.

Well they thought answering that question well was part of being qualified. So NO, you were not fully qualified.

Yeah, but it was a dumbass clown question. PP dodged a bullet.

It was a softball question. Any clown should have been able to answer it. Who is against managers being inclusive? That's not a race thing per se. I could be introvert/extrovert, accessibility issues, virtual/in person, so many things.

It was a softball question (NP). I mentally answered it as I was reading it. But we don't know what kind of a response they were looking for.

I still don’t understand the question? I would have taken it literally as “ inclusive” meaning a friend, neighbor, manager who makes everyone always feel welcome no matter the circumstance. Or, we’re you to name someone of color, gender, trait. I’m confused!

I'm the PP who was asked the question during my interview, and this was exactly my reaction. It was clear they wanted to hear the correct "catchphrases" and it wasn't even an issue I had thought about during my interview prep. I thought it was absurd that they ended what was a really good interview on that note. But again, if they're looking for someone to parrot the "correct" jargon, then clearly I'm not the right person. Dodged a bullet.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

Punctuality? because every white person has a chauffeur and limo or pent house next door and all POCs are taking 6 buses, right? 🙄

How on earth are punctuality and perfectionism racist issues??

Could it be the same way that literacy tests were racist?

DP. So you're saying that POC should be excused from being punctual and doing their work correctly? Is that what you're saying?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people are making lots of money off this stuff.

No kidding!!!

Bingo. The amount of money my law firm spends on this BS makes me want to throw up.

FCPS (and no doubt lots of other school systems) have spent thousands contracting with firms that churn out this kind of nonsense.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BXX5YN128A2F/$file/FCPS%20Stakeholder%20Engagement%20Proposal%20FINAL%20SENT.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

No. It isn't. Having the most talented individuals for the role is better for the business. Full stop.

And are those things mutually exclusive? Why do you assume they are?

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Anonymous wrote:Because having a diverse and equitable workforce IS good for the bottom line and will ultimately result in a better workplace and product for your clients.

Also and most importantly but I don't think will sway you, people deserve to work in places that are fair and equitable. And for the most place they don't. So, places are trying to change that as they should. Ultimately if it works, it's better for everyone.

No. It isn't. Having the most talented individuals for the role is better for the business. Full stop.

This right here. I wish there were a website tracking these DEI initiatives at publicly traded companies. A company doesn’t have a great future if it’s prioritizing diversity instead of performance and talent.

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I’m a teacher and we were forced to read and have discussion with our co-workers about White Fragility.
I thought it was way out of line

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

Are you a member of a marginalized group, OP? I think the goal is to ensure that no one has to deal with (to take a few random examples from my workplace experiences over the years) referring to building a robust UI as making it "grandma proof" or casual transphobia or the use of slurs to refer to Saudi Arabians.

That being said, my limited experience with DEI sessions is that they don't actually help with this goal? I don't have a lot of personal experience (my workplace doesn't do them) but as someone who's a member of an invisible minority (queer), I don't actually want to talk to my work colleagues about my sexuality and to be asked to do so would make me deeply uncomfortable.

No one asks for that. That's now how it works.
As for OP, ok; got it! You don't want to do that work; that is fine. Apparently your job has decided they want you to do that work, so you can choose to stay or not. I mean, there's a lot of work at my job (unrelated to DEI) that I don't want to do. In fact, there's enough that I don't want to do that I require payment to even show up. That's why they call it a job.

I don’t want to be forced to sit in a room with my co-workers and have a conversation centered around the overarching idea that I am implicitly racist by means of being born white and the beneficiary of “white privilege”

And yes, as a teacher I have had to go through this.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

HAHAHA. Sounds like the training will benefit you.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how OP "doesn't want to do DEI at work" and how that's basically the same as people who "don't want to feel marginalized or discriminated against at work." Except those people have no choice, and OP has no idea their view is offensive.

This entire post is a microagression.

Oh FFS.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

Are you them? How do you know this to be true? Have you asked them?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and we were forced to read and have discussion with our co-workers about White Fragility.
I thought it was way out of line

Are you white? Maybe you learned something