I don't want to do "DEI Work" at work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

Punctuality? because every white person has a chauffeur and limo or pent house next door and all POCs are taking 6 buses, right? 🙄

How on earth are punctuality and perfectionism racist issues??

[Anonymous]

Troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

Are you a member of a marginalized group, OP? I think the goal is to ensure that no one has to deal with (to take a few random examples from my workplace experiences over the years) referring to building a robust UI as making it "grandma proof" or casual transphobia or the use of slurs to refer to Saudi Arabians.

That being said, my limited experience with DEI sessions is that they don't actually help with this goal? I don't have a lot of personal experience (my workplace doesn't do them) but as someone who's a member of an invisible minority (queer), I don't actually want to talk to my work colleagues about my sexuality and to be asked to do so would make me deeply uncomfortable.

No one asks for that. That's now how it works.
As for OP, ok; got it! You don't want to do that work; that is fine. Apparently your job has decided they want you to do that work, so you can choose to stay or not. I mean, there's a lot of work at my job (unrelated to DEI) that I don't want to do. In fact, there's enough that I don't want to do that I require payment to even show up. That's why they call it a job.

To clarify, no one asks that you disclose your sexuality to your colleagues against your will. It's not a coming out session, FFS.

I’ve been in meetings like this for work where coworkers introduce themselves by name, pronouns, sexuality, and which tribal people their house was stolen from. Then it gets to me and I’m like “hi, I’m Larla from accounting.” Awkward. Also the privilege game where you’re supposed to line up and take a step for each privilege you have. Like ok, yes my parents are married, no I’ve never gone to be d hungry, but do I really need to answer about if I own a house or have received an inheritance in front of my coworkers? I understand and support the intent, but these sessions can get really invasive and I don’t know most of these people like that.

I agree, I've been to some that were like this too. Usually I end up saying "wow, this is really powerful. I need some time to process and think about it."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

Punctuality? because every white person has a chauffeur and limo or pent house next door and all POCs are taking 6 buses, right? 🙄

How on earth are punctuality and perfectionism racist issues??

If only there was some training out there to help you understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

+1. Also performance metrics. Another invention of the white supremacists to suppress minorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

Are you a member of a marginalized group, OP? I think the goal is to ensure that no one has to deal with (to take a few random examples from my workplace experiences over the years) referring to building a robust UI as making it "grandma proof" or casual transphobia or the use of slurs to refer to Saudi Arabians.

That being said, my limited experience with DEI sessions is that they don't actually help with this goal? I don't have a lot of personal experience (my workplace doesn't do them) but as someone who's a member of an invisible minority (queer), I don't actually want to talk to my work colleagues about my sexuality and to be asked to do so would make me deeply uncomfortable.

No one asks for that. That's now how it works.
As for OP, ok; got it! You don't want to do that work; that is fine. Apparently your job has decided they want you to do that work, so you can choose to stay or not. I mean, there's a lot of work at my job (unrelated to DEI) that I don't want to do. In fact, there's enough that I don't want to do that I require payment to even show up. That's why they call it a job.

To clarify, no one asks that you disclose your sexuality to your colleagues against your will. It's not a coming out session, FFS.

I’ve been in meetings like this for work where coworkers introduce themselves by name, pronouns, sexuality, and which tribal people their house was stolen from. Then it gets to me and I’m like “hi, I’m Larla from accounting.” Awkward. Also the privilege game where you’re supposed to line up and take a step for each privilege you have. Like ok, yes my parents are married, no I’ve never gone to be d hungry, but do I really need to answer about if I own a house or have received an inheritance in front of my coworkers? I understand and support the intent, but these sessions can get really invasive and I don’t know most of these people like that.

Seriously? Honestly, I think these meetings are good for some of you folks because you don’t seem to know how to navigate life, so it’s good practice. You don’t have to follow everyone else’s greeting. “Larla from accounting” is fine. It’s also fine for other people to say more or different things. If they say take one step forward if you inherited your house you …. Don’t have to take one step forward. It’s not a court of law and you are not under oath. Don’t disclose anything you don’t want to. It would be nice if you could reflect on what a great advantage you had if, indeed, you inherited a house and be mindful of the lives of others who didn’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

+1. Also performance metrics. Another invention of the white supremacists to suppress minorities.

This is the shit I can’t get behind. Performance metrics were created to suppress minorities? Performance metrics evaluate whether you’re meeting the expectations of your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

Are you a member of a marginalized group, OP? I think the goal is to ensure that no one has to deal with (to take a few random examples from my workplace experiences over the years) referring to building a robust UI as making it "grandma proof" or casual transphobia or the use of slurs to refer to Saudi Arabians.

That being said, my limited experience with DEI sessions is that they don't actually help with this goal? I don't have a lot of personal experience (my workplace doesn't do them) but as someone who's a member of an invisible minority (queer), I don't actually want to talk to my work colleagues about my sexuality and to be asked to do so would make me deeply uncomfortable.

No one asks for that. That's now how it works.
As for OP, ok; got it! You don't want to do that work; that is fine. Apparently your job has decided they want you to do that work, so you can choose to stay or not. I mean, there's a lot of work at my job (unrelated to DEI) that I don't want to do. In fact, there's enough that I don't want to do that I require payment to even show up. That's why they call it a job.

To clarify, no one asks that you disclose your sexuality to your colleagues against your will. It's not a coming out session, FFS.

I’ve been in meetings like this for work where coworkers introduce themselves by name, pronouns, sexuality, and which tribal people their house was stolen from. Then it gets to me and I’m like “hi, I’m Larla from accounting.” Awkward. Also the privilege game where you’re supposed to line up and take a step for each privilege you have. Like ok, yes my parents are married, no I’ve never gone to be d hungry, but do I really need to answer about if I own a house or have received an inheritance in front of my coworkers? I understand and support the intent, but these sessions can get really invasive and I don’t know most of these people like that.

Seriously? Honestly, I think these meetings are good for some of you folks because you don’t seem to know how to navigate life, so it’s good practice. You don’t have to follow everyone else’s greeting. “Larla from accounting” is fine. It’s also fine for other people to say more or different things. If they say take one step forward if you inherited your house you …. Don’t have to take one step forward. It’s not a court of law and you are not under oath. Don’t disclose anything you don’t want to. It would be nice if you could reflect on what a great advantage you had if, indeed, you inherited a house and be mindful of the lives of others who didn’t.

If you really can’t imagine how uncomfortable these public participation activities are for introverts of ALL backgrounds, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can workplaces make things more equitable for those who don't value punctuality? Genuinely curious what thoughts others have about this sort of thing.

Meeting starts at 9 am and if I am a member of a certain group, there is more leeway and understanding?

I realize that some cultures don't conceptualize time in certain ways that have been set up by our dominant systems.

Talking about punctuality being white supremacy culture is just trolling to try to make DEI seem silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How can workplaces make things more equitable for those who don't value punctuality? Genuinely curious what thoughts others have about this sort of thing.

Meeting starts at 9 am and if I am a member of a certain group, there is more leeway and understanding?

I realize that some cultures don't conceptualize time in certain ways that have been set up by our dominant systems.

Talking about punctuality being white supremacy culture is just trolling to try to make DEI seem silly.

It is silly. That's the point. Both silly and dangerous at the same time.

[Anonymous]

I agree that a lot of these trainings are poorly done or a waste of time but suck it up, buttercup. A) Your objections are weak sauce and whiny and B) you’re not the boss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

+1. Also performance metrics. Another invention of the white supremacists to suppress minorities.

This is the shit I can’t get behind. Performance metrics were created to suppress minorities? Performance metrics evaluate whether you’re meeting the expectations of your job.

PP was yanking your chain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

What tortured mental gymnastics. So POC should be allowed to be 3 hours late or it is “white supremacy?” You are deranged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

+1. Also performance metrics. Another invention of the white supremacists to suppress minorities.

Isn’t it embarrassing for you guys to make such weak, sad little arguments? One thing I hate about whiny white men is how slimy they are. Make a case. Stand behind what you think. If you can’t convince people you’re right, you might not be right. If you want to amuse yourself with these silly little straw men, do it on 4chan where no one can see you. It’s just embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s uncomfortable, a distraction, and unpleasant. Which is exactly how your non-white/gay/whatever colleagues may well feel about the crap that they deal with every day in the workplace.

But truly, what?? People are treated as people at my workplace. They don't deal with any crap that's different from the rest of us.

White supremacy culture. Perfectionism, punctuality, etc. These are all standards for the workplace created by whites that contribute to harming minorities.

+1. Also performance metrics. Another invention of the white supremacists to suppress minorities.

Isn’t it embarrassing for you guys to make such weak, sad little arguments? One thing I hate about whiny white men is how slimy they are. Make a case. Stand behind what you think. If you can’t convince people you’re right, you might not be right. If you want to amuse yourself with these silly little straw men, do it on 4chan where no one can see you. It’s just embarrassing.

One thing I hate about (insert large group of people) is how (insert insult) they are.