The Top 50 National Universities by Average Rank from the 8 Most Influential Rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry USN&WR still wins.

Not even. Internationally more people use Times Higher Education, and they have their own undergraduate ranking with Wall Street Journal. Younger people use Niche a lot now. It's just middle and upper middle class American parents that primarily use US News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

That's true a lot of the rankings combine LACs and research unis. The only major rankings that don't are US News and Washington Monthly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LMFAO Degree Choices
#3 CUNY City College
#4 U Florida

Did you even look at it
LOL

I've checked Degree Choices, it's actually a good source. It's focused primarily on ROI for college and how long it takes to pay off debt. You don't think that's important? CUNY is probably a highly affordable option that quickly boosts the earning potential of its graduates.

Im all for ROI but this is joke

It has 50% graduate rate and median earnings 56k by Department of Education data.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/search/?search=CUNY%20City%20College&page=0&sort=threshold_earnings:desc&toggle=institutions

Go to community college for 2 years that will give you better ROI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry USN&WR still wins.

Not even. Internationally more people use Times Higher Education, and they have their own undergraduate ranking with Wall Street Journal. Younger people use Niche a lot now. It's just middle and upper middle class American parents that primarily use US News.

Key word, international lol

In fact they also use USN&WR

USN&WR is flagship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry USN&WR still wins.

Not even. Internationally more people use Times Higher Education, and they have their own undergraduate ranking with Wall Street Journal. Younger people use Niche a lot now. It's just middle and upper middle class American parents that primarily use US News.

Key word, international lol

In fact they also use USN&WR

USN&WR is flagship.

I think people take multiple rankings into account nowadays. Too many good sources and USN&WR has some obvious missteps (UChicago and Johns Hopkins too high, Duke and Columbia too low for example).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Your kid W&M? Lol

LOL no. All three kids at non-HYP Ivy--1B/2A schools. Turned down W&M. Just think it is a good school and that is from a lot of people's input not just mine. It's on another thread and also in this one earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Nice job, although I hate to concede to the Duke and Penn boosters that they may have a point. Hopefully they don't take it as far as HYPPSMD.

Finally a list that makes sense! Thanks OP. I've always thought the US News list was a bit biased towards woke factors and some of the other lists were one-dimensional. This brings it all together and makes a lot of sense. Ignore the hating idiots that think their private uni should be ranked top 10 just because it's private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

Tier makes much more sense than trying to decipher between 25 and 26. That is why they are grouped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take the average ranking from US News, WSJ/THE, Niche, Forbes, Washington Monthly, Money, Wallet Hub, and Degree Choices, you get an overall ranking of:

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
---Big Gap---
4. Harvard
5. Yale
6. Duke
7. Penn
---Big Gap---
8. Caltech
9. Northwestern
10. Columbia
11. Vanderbilt
12. UCLA
13. Berkeley
14. UMich
15. Dartmouth
16. Georgetown
17. Johns Hopkins
18. Cornell
19. Notre Dame
20. WashU (tie)
20. UChicago (tie)
22. UNC
23. UF (tie)
23. UVA (tie)
25. CMU
---Big Gap---
26. Georgia Tech
27. UCSD
28. USC
29. Emory
30. UIUC
31. UCD
32. UCI
33. UW Seattle
34. BC
35. Wake Forest
36. UT Austin
37. UW Madison
---Big Gap---
38. W&M
39. UCSB
40. Lehigh
41. Purdue
---Big Gap---
42. Texas A&M
43. UMD
44. Virginia Tech
45. BU
46. UGA
47. NYU
48. NCSU
49. BYU
50. GW

Nice job, although I hate to concede to the Duke and Penn boosters that they may have a point. Hopefully they don't take it as far as HYPPSMD.

Finally a list that makes sense! Thanks OP. I've always thought the US News list was a bit biased towards woke factors and some of the other lists were one-dimensional. This brings it all together and makes a lot of sense. Ignore the hating idiots that think their private uni should be ranked top 10 just because it's private.

OP post supporting herself lol. The list is grossly negligent omitting schools that are consensus top 20--what was it Brown and Rice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry USN&WR still wins.

Not even. Internationally more people use Times Higher Education, and they have their own undergraduate ranking with Wall Street Journal. Younger people use Niche a lot now. It's just middle and upper middle class American parents that primarily use US News.

Key word, international lol

In fact they also use USN&WR

USN&WR is flagship.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

Tier makes much more sense than trying to decipher between 25 and 26. That is why they are grouped.

It is the difference between a Mayan pyramid and an Egyptian pyramid. Either way you are implying there is a hierarchy where non exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

Tier makes much more sense than trying to decipher between 25 and 26. That is why they are grouped.

It is the difference between a Mayan pyramid and an Egyptian pyramid. Either way you are implying there is a hierarchy where non exists.

A tier definitely exists. Harvard is not the same tier as Salsbury State. But the tier is much less precise than trying to distinguish between 25 and 26. Everyone knows what the top schools are. But can't decide or care about if one is 25 or 26.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

Tier makes much more sense than trying to decipher between 25 and 26. That is why they are grouped.

It is the difference between a Mayan pyramid and an Egyptian pyramid. Either way you are implying there is a hierarchy where non exists.

A tier definitely exists. Harvard is not the same tier as Salsbury State. But the tier is much less precise than trying to distinguish between 25 and 26. Everyone knows what the top schools are. But can't decide or care about if one is 25 or 26.

It bascially shows in the combination of 'Student Stats + Acceptance Rate + Yeild Rate'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention top SLACs not accounted for. How can you overlook schools like Amherst, Williams, Pomona, etc. Tiers are better. I am a tierist.

To be fair most rankings don’t mix the LACs and research universities. What would be your tiers?

I think most of the mainstream ones other than US News do combine e.g. Forbes and WSJ. Here are the tiers discussed on this thread and other threads:

1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Duke

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Northwestern
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

You all are crazy. What makes Penn better than Brown, or Amherst better than Swarthmore or Wellesley? UF better than UT or even with GT? The problem is insiting that you can quantify the unquantifiable. Do you rank paintings or favorite colors? Or tier them? Best spouses? Can't you just accept that there are a lot of goood and very different schools out there.

Tier makes much more sense than trying to decipher between 25 and 26. That is why they are grouped.

It is the difference between a Mayan pyramid and an Egyptian pyramid. Either way you are implying there is a hierarchy where non exists.

A tier definitely exists. Harvard is not the same tier as Salsbury State. But the tier is much less precise than trying to distinguish between 25 and 26. Everyone knows what the top schools are. But can't decide or care about if one is 25 or 26.

There is a difference between Harvard and Brown, at least in terms of their resources. There is significantly less of a difference in the rigor, financial and academic resources, and quality of students between Williams and Wellesley.