The Top 50 National Universities by Average Rank from the 8 Most Influential Rankings
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Anonymous
Good catch, somehow that slipped through the cracks. Including Brown it's now: 1. MIT 2. Stanford 3. Princeton ---Big Gap--- 4. Harvard 5. Yale 6. Duke 7. Penn ---Big Gap--- 8. Caltech 9. Northwestern 10. Columbia 11. Vanderbilt 12. UCLA 13. Berkeley 14. UMich 15. Dartmouth 16. Georgetown 17. Johns Hopkins 18. Cornell 19. Notre Dame 20. WashU (tie) 20. UChicago (tie) 22. Brown 23. UNC 24. UF (tie) 24. UVA (tie) 26. CMU ---Big Gap--- 27. Georgia Tech 28. UCSD 29. USC 30. Emory 31. UIUC 32. UCD 33. UCI 34. UW Seattle 35. BC 36. Wake Forest 37. UT Austin 38. UW Madison ---Big Gap--- 39. W&M 40. UCSB 41. Lehigh 42. Purdue ---Big Gap--- 43. Texas A&M 44. UMD 45. Virginia Tech 46. BU 47. UGA 48. NYU 49. NCSU 50. BYU |
Anonymous
If you like Wallet Hub you should also look at WSJ/THE and Degree Choices because all three of those focus on earning potential, student outcomes, and ROI. |
Anonymous
That's not exactly true, if you look at the earlier DCUM post UChicago tries to send students to Wall Street and consulting as well, and Hopkins tries to get kids in industry as well: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1081806.page. That's certainly no excuse for either school, look at Harvard, Stanford, Penn, Duke, and Columbia. They're sending kids to top grad schools and top places in industry at high rates. Top Feeders to Elite Consulting Firms (McKinsey, Bain, BCG): https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/consulting-target-schools 1. Harvard 2. UPenn 3. MIT 4. Yale 5. Princeton 6. Dartmouth 7. Stanford 8. Duke 9. Columbia 10. Claremont McKenna 11. Northwestern 12. Vanderbilt 13. Rice 14. UChicago 15. Williams 16. Amherst 17. Brown 18. Notre Dame 19. Georgetown 20. WashU St. Louis Top Feeders to Elite Medical Schools (Harvard Med, Johns Hopkins Med, UCSF, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school 1. Yale 2. Duke 3. Stanford 4. Johns Hopkins 5. Harvard 6. Princeton 7. Vanderbilt 8. Dartmouth 9. Rice 10. WashU St. Louis 11. Amherst 12. MIT 13. Williams 14. Pomona 15. Swarthmore 16. Columbia 17. Northwestern 18. Brown 19. UPenn 20. Emory Top Feeders to Elite Wall Street Firms (Goldman, Morgan Stanley, JPM, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking 1. UPenn 2. Harvard 3. Columbia 4. Yale 5. UChicago 6. Williams 7. Duke 8. Claremont McKenna 9. Middlebury 10. Princeton 11. Dartmouth 12. Notre Dame 13. Georgetown 14. Washington & Lee 15. Cornell 16. Amherst 17. Brown 18. Bowdoin 19. Stanford 20. Vanderbilt Top Colleges for Elite Private Equity Firms Leadership (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo, etc.): https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1082072.page 1. Penn/Wharton 2. Dartmouth 3. Harvard (tie) 3. Stanford (tie) 5. Duke 6. Georgetown 7. Yale 8. Columbia (tie) 8. Williams (tie) 8. Claremont McKenna (tie) 8. Wesleyan (tie) 12. Brown (tie) 12. Cornell (tie) 12. Berkeley (tie) 12. UMich (tie) 12. UVA (tie) 12. UChicago (tie) Top Feeders to Elite Private Equity Firms Entry Level (Blackstone, KKR, Apollo, etc.): https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/undergraduate-representation-among-pe-firms-with-data 1. Princeton 2. Harvard 3. Dartmouth 4. Penn/Wharton 5. Duke 6. Columbia 7. Yale 8. MIT 9. Stanford 10. Brown 11. UChicago Top Feeders to Elite Tech Companies for Software (Google, Meta, Microsoft, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech 1. Carnegie Mellon 2. Columbia 3. Stanford 4. MIT 5. Caltech 6. Harvey Mudd 7. Georgia Tech 8. University of Southern California 9. Rice 10. Harvard 11. Duke 12. Cornell 13. Northeastern 14. Berkeley 15. UPenn 16. Princeton 17. Brown 18. Santa Clara University 19. Northwestern 20. UIUC Top Feeders to Elite Tech Companies for Engineering (Apple, SpaceX, NASA, etc.): https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering 1. Carnegie Mellon 2. Columbia 3. Caltech 4. MIT 5. Georgia Tech 6. University of Southern California 7. Stanford 8. Olin 9. Harvey Mudd 10. Rice 11. Northeastern 12. Duke 13. Cornell 14. Santa Clara University 15. UPenn 16. Princeton 17. Harvard 18. Rose Hulman 19. Johns Hopkins 20. Cooper Union |
Anonymous
Can't we learn more on Reddit? Nearly identical posts and lists have been put on at least 2 other threads. Wallet Hub and Degree Choices...does anyone view those as sources of college rankings? Looking at early career earnings with no major or field data is also misleading. Shocker... with the current tech market, schools with more limited scopes and with large proportions of graduates going into tech have high early career earners (CalTech, CMU, MIT, Harvey Mudd)! That doesn't mean, for example, going to those schools for CS will yield you better earnings than similar graduates from Yale, Harvard, Stanford, and Princeton, all of which have lower early career earnings in Money's system. On another thread, it was also pointed out that Stanford's CS grads have the highest initial salaries for CS majors. |
Anonymous
Where are Rice and Amherst? |
Anonymous
Correct you are I somehow forgot Rice. Amherst was not included because the source data did not include LACs. With Rice it's now: 1. MIT 2. Stanford 3. Princeton ---Big Gap--- 4. Harvard 5. Yale 6. Duke 7. Penn ---Big Gap--- 8. Caltech 9. Northwestern 10. Columbia 11. Vanderbilt 12. UCLA 13. Rice 14. Berkeley 15. UMich 16. Dartmouth 17. Georgetown 18. Johns Hopkins 19. Cornell 20. Notre Dame 21. WashU (tie) 21. UChicago (tie) 23. Brown 24. UNC 25. UF (tie) 25. UVA (tie) 27. CMU ---Big Gap--- 28. Georgia Tech 29. UCSD 30. USC 31. Emory 32. UIUC 33. UCD 34. UCI 35. UW Seattle 36. BC 37. Wake Forest 38. UT Austin 39. UW Madison ---Big Gap--- 40. W&M 41. UCSB 42. Lehigh 43. Purdue ---Big Gap--- 44. Texas A&M 45. UMD 46. Virginia Tech 47. BU 48. UGA 49. NYU 50. NCSU |
Anonymous
Excellent points. I would also like to suggest that earnings don't equal success in all fields. This kind of ranking penalizes schools that are excellent in fields that are less lucrative overall. While earning potential is a consideration, higher ed should primarily be about education. Also, ever even heard of Wallet Hub and Degree Choices. |
Anonymous
Degree Choices is brand new and has actually been covered on other news publications such as Forbes, I expect it will rise in popularity. Also regarding salaries, several of the rankings compare salaries to other schools with similar major breakdowns. If you look at Money for example, they say "Graduates’ earnings adjusted for majors (20%). This takes a weighted average salary for each college, using earnings data from the College Scorecard, and compares it with colleges that graduate students in a similar mix of majors." |
Anonymous
The thing is majors are taken into account in several rankings, so it compares schools that have similar proportions of students in different majors. That helps make sure the tech schools don't completely dominate each time - look at Caltech, it got heavily discounted. |
Anonymous
Very surprised that there's a big gap between Princeton and Harvard. How large is the gap? |
Anonymous
| Surprised to see Lehigh in the 50. Thought WSJ was the only ranking that gave them love. |
Anonymous
Lehigh also does really well on Washington Monthly, Money, and Degree Choices. |
Anonymous
It's somewhat sizable considering Harvard bombed on Forbes and Degree Choices. Without those two debacles, Harvard would probably be above Princeton. |
Anonymous
| Columbia at 10 is too high IMO. |
Anonymous
Meaning it should be better or worse? |