Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

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Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty simple:

Amount of environmental destruction to make one
Disposition of batteries
Electric grid insufficient at present to support wide spread use
Better alternatives that just need infrastructure development - hydrogen.

And this, folks, is how you know Republicans aren’t serious players.

[Anonymous]

It’s probably in the same manual that told them to hate vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

[Anonymous]

I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

I forgot #5.

The grid needs to be expanded several times over in order to support full EV adoption and despite goals of selling EV only in just a few years, I have yet to see any serious proposition out of government or power providers to start expanding the grid to support it. A typical EV creates the same load on the grid as ~20 refrigerators.

It's going to be a disaster if the engineering and funding problems aren't solved.

But hey lefties can feel like they're doing something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

Yes. I am the one who posted the article. This is the point and the point of the tweet I posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

I forgot #5.

The grid needs to be expanded several times over in order to support full EV adoption and despite goals of selling EV only in just a few years, I have yet to see any serious proposition out of government or power providers to start expanding the grid to support it. A typical EV creates the same load on the grid as ~20 refrigerators.

It's going to be a disaster if the engineering and funding problems aren't solved.

But hey lefties can feel like they're doing something.

Thanks for posting this information.
I think we are shooting ourselves in our own foot with the push to go electric with all the downsides right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

Yes. I am the one who posted the article. This is the point and the point of the tweet I posted.

I think if you’re habitually taking four cars on a road trip, you’re doing them wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

Yes. I am the one who posted the article. This is the point and the point of the tweet I posted.

I think if you’re habitually taking four cars on a road trip, you’re doing them wrong.

Tell that to Jennifer Granholm who evidently felt the need to have a convoy of cars to promote this administration's misguided policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

Did you get your talking points from 20 years ago? Is MIT a source that you'd trust https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars or maybe EPA https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths Yale? https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/08/electrifying-transportation-reduces-emissions-and-saves-massive-amounts-of-energy/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

I forgot #5.

The grid needs to be expanded several times over in order to support full EV adoption and despite goals of selling EV only in just a few years, I have yet to see any serious proposition out of government or power providers to start expanding the grid to support it. A typical EV creates the same load on the grid as ~20 refrigerators.

It's going to be a disaster if the engineering and funding problems aren't solved.

But hey lefties can feel like they're doing something.

Do you have any source for this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I vote right wing, but I'm also an engineer working in the self driving car industry.

for a number of reasons:

1) The manufacturing process is VERY dirty, including the EV battery material extraction and processing.

2) Most of energy the used by EV vehicles don't come from "clean" sources, more power to those who charge it from a "clean" source, but understand....

3) "Clean" sources have big environmental issues. While the solar power createdf is "clean", the solar cell creation process is dirty. Wind turbine blades can't be recycled. At end of life, they are buried underground.

4) The battery lifespan is short compared to an ICE's full lifecycle and replacement is very expensive- 10-20k. This will kill off the used car market and hurt the poor over the long term making vehicles out of their reach.

I love the idea of clean EV, but any engineer will tell you its far from clean. I think there are many people who are just blissfully unaware of how dirty the process actually is when you consider the full life cycle. There are certainly applications for it that I think are great, but I won't buy one anytime soon because I keep cars 20 years.

I forgot #5.

The grid needs to be expanded several times over in order to support full EV adoption and despite goals of selling EV only in just a few years, I have yet to see any serious proposition out of government or power providers to start expanding the grid to support it. A typical EV creates the same load on the grid as ~20 refrigerators.

It's going to be a disaster if the engineering and funding problems aren't solved.

But hey lefties can feel like they're doing something.

No

1) EV are much much clear vs ICV to manufacture. They are over all 30-40% cleaner to manufacture, use 30-40% less material and post manufacturing ICV will use an additional 20-30 tons of parts, oil and gas. EV will use 30 kilograms.

2) The current us electrical grid is 40% natural gas, 20% coal, 18% nuclear, 21% renewable and 1% of a mix of other stuff.

So 39% is close to zero emissions, natural gas emits 1/2 the pollution of coal and a quarter of the pollution from gasoline from an ice. So using ev pulling from the us electrical grid is about twice as less polluting vs driving an ICV.

In 10 years current projection are for the grid to 40% renewable and to continue to grow at that rate for 25 years.

3) You have no clue about what you post. Seriously just stop.

4) No. EV batteries last 12-20 years. This is longer vs the life cycle if ICV. The replacement batteries today cost $4-$10k and cost are falling rapidly as manufacturers cost fall. In ten years the replacement cost are estimated to be $2-$6.5k. Go buy a 10-15 year old ice car and see what type of cost you have.

5) No the grid will/is fine as is. EVs are on the road during peak demand, are connect maybe 1-2 times a week and are programmed to charge at non peak demand. Electrical grid generate power constantly much is wasted specially over night.

You really do push out a lot of false information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Some people are afraid of spiders. Not much you can do for them.

This is very different from some phobia. And, it is spot on.

And, Jennifer Granholm's EV road trip problem illustrated it.
Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1187224861/electric-vehicles-evs-cars-chargers-charging-energy-secretary-jennifer-granholm

I don’t know if you didn’t read the article or if you assumed no one else would. Her road trip involved a convoy of both gas powered (four of them) and electric vehicles. The advance team knew there wouldn’t be enough chargers at their stop in Augusta, Georgia and blocked a charging spot with a gas powered vehicle and someone waiting to charge called the police.

You tried to imply that maybe there weren’t sufficient chargers and the electric cars were sputtering out on the highway.

If you need to block regular civilians from using a charger to the point where they need to call the police, there aren't enough.

EVs are a disaster for road trips right now.

They didn't "need to" block anything. They chose to because they wanted to guarantee their boss didn't have to wait for a charge.

I've had an EV for 4 years now and I've taken it on trips all up and down the east coast. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to wait for a charger. They are not a "disaster" for road trips, they're barely a minor inconvenience.

Stop splicing words. This is not a good look, you EV propagandist.

I've been on roadtrips in EV's too. You have to divert from your course to find a charger and they take forever to charge. You're not fooling anyone.