Pelosi and Taiwan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taiwanese here.
It's pretty obvious she didn't have to quarantine like everybody else who enters Taiwan. Pulling on her white political privilege. This alone pisses me off.
As a rep of CA, I wonder how this will go down with the substantial Chinese population there.

To everybody who wants to talk about Taiwan independence - if Taiwan declares independence it has lost its claim on being the true China. I don't know if any of you can remember but Taiwan was considered Republic of China after the Japanese lost WWII. It was recognized as the true China until Nixon reversed course. Since then it has been in a strange limbo land. To divorce itself from being China with its 5K years of history would make it just another island with a bunch of Chinese expats like Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam.... former vassal states.

There is a LOT of cross straits relationships - marriages, businesses, tourism (China's a huge clientele base), entertainment. A fair number of Taiwanese have been decamping for China recently because of its sluggish economy and Mainland businesses willing to pay 3-4X more for the talent. One of my TSMC cousins is just this economic migrant to China. Another TSMC head honcho cousin works heavily with Japan. I also have an IL aunt who is from the Mainland. There are loads of Taiwanese businesses with factories in China (as well as 2nd/3rd wives with Mainland progeny there too - one of my mother's Taiwanese friends is in just this Chinese soap opera situation). Any rising entertainment star knows it is far more lucrative to be in China than Taiwan. Your average Taiwanese is focused on business and stability, not political ideology.
If the US hadn't been subsidizing Taiwan's defenses for so long and so heavily, they would have told Pelosi to get lost already. But the US has bought Taiwan's accommodation. Pelosi is the old moneybags aunt you don't really want around but you put up with for a short while.

The people who are hung up about the political stalemate are the KMT soldiers who lost to Mao and decamped to Taiwan. They have been and their children ones in the political arena today. Kind of like the Cubans in Miami who shake their fists about Castro. My father was a former KMT and I remember having to recite lessons about Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai Shek. The politicos in Taiwan will not give up its claim to being the true China anytime soon. If it does, it is tantamount to admitting defeat.

Thank you for the objective summary.
What do you mean by US “subsidizing Taiwan’s defense”?
My assumption was Taiwan is a full paying customer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taiwanese here.
It's pretty obvious she didn't have to quarantine like everybody else who enters Taiwan. Pulling on her white political privilege. This alone pisses me off.
As a rep of CA, I wonder how this will go down with the substantial Chinese population there.

To everybody who wants to talk about Taiwan independence - if Taiwan declares independence it has lost its claim on being the true China. I don't know if any of you can remember but Taiwan was considered Republic of China after the Japanese lost WWII. It was recognized as the true China until Nixon reversed course. Since then it has been in a strange limbo land. To divorce itself from being China with its 5K years of history would make it just another island with a bunch of Chinese expats like Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam.... former vassal states.

There is a LOT of cross straits relationships - marriages, businesses, tourism (China's a huge clientele base), entertainment. A fair number of Taiwanese have been decamping for China recently because of its sluggish economy and Mainland businesses willing to pay 3-4X more for the talent. One of my TSMC cousins is just this economic migrant to China. Another TSMC head honcho cousin works heavily with Japan. I also have an IL aunt who is from the Mainland. There are loads of Taiwanese businesses with factories in China (as well as 2nd/3rd wives with Mainland progeny there too - one of my mother's Taiwanese friends is in just this Chinese soap opera situation). Any rising entertainment star knows it is far more lucrative to be in China than Taiwan. Your average Taiwanese is focused on business and stability, not political ideology.
If the US hadn't been subsidizing Taiwan's defenses for so long and so heavily, they would have told Pelosi to get lost already. But the US has bought Taiwan's accommodation. Pelosi is the old moneybags aunt you don't really want around but you put up with for a short while.

The people who are hung up about the political stalemate are the KMT soldiers who lost to Mao and decamped to Taiwan. They have been and their children ones in the political arena today. Kind of like the Cubans in Miami who shake their fists about Castro. My father was a former KMT and I remember having to recite lessons about Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai Shek. The politicos in Taiwan will not give up its claim to being the true China anytime soon. If it does, it is tantamount to admitting defeat.

Thank you for the objective summary.
What do you mean by US “subsidizing Taiwan’s defense”?
My assumption was Taiwan is a full paying customer.

This is essentially a pro-KMT summary. It repeats a lot of the old KMT/CCP shibboleths about 5k years of Chinese history, Taiwan not really a country, Taiwanese only caring about economics and not politics, etc. It represents the thinking of a small percentage of people on Taiwan and overlooks the stronger local identity of about 80 percent of the population who really don't care about fighting the Chinese Civil War and could give two shits about the mainland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taiwanese here.
It's pretty obvious she didn't have to quarantine like everybody else who enters Taiwan. Pulling on her white political privilege. This alone pisses me off.
As a rep of CA, I wonder how this will go down with the substantial Chinese population there.

To everybody who wants to talk about Taiwan independence - if Taiwan declares independence it has lost its claim on being the true China. I don't know if any of you can remember but Taiwan was considered Republic of China after the Japanese lost WWII. It was recognized as the true China until Nixon reversed course. Since then it has been in a strange limbo land. To divorce itself from being China with its 5K years of history would make it just another island with a bunch of Chinese expats like Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam.... former vassal states.

There is a LOT of cross straits relationships - marriages, businesses, tourism (China's a huge clientele base), entertainment. A fair number of Taiwanese have been decamping for China recently because of its sluggish economy and Mainland businesses willing to pay 3-4X more for the talent. One of my TSMC cousins is just this economic migrant to China. Another TSMC head honcho cousin works heavily with Japan. I also have an IL aunt who is from the Mainland. There are loads of Taiwanese businesses with factories in China (as well as 2nd/3rd wives with Mainland progeny there too - one of my mother's Taiwanese friends is in just this Chinese soap opera situation). Any rising entertainment star knows it is far more lucrative to be in China than Taiwan. Your average Taiwanese is focused on business and stability, not political ideology.
If the US hadn't been subsidizing Taiwan's defenses for so long and so heavily, they would have told Pelosi to get lost already. But the US has bought Taiwan's accommodation. Pelosi is the old moneybags aunt you don't really want around but you put up with for a short while.

The people who are hung up about the political stalemate are the KMT soldiers who lost to Mao and decamped to Taiwan. They have been and their children ones in the political arena today. Kind of like the Cubans in Miami who shake their fists about Castro. My father was a former KMT and I remember having to recite lessons about Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai Shek. The politicos in Taiwan will not give up its claim to being the true China anytime soon. If it does, it is tantamount to admitting defeat.

Thank you for the objective summary.
What do you mean by US “subsidizing Taiwan’s defense”?
My assumption was Taiwan is a full paying customer.

This is essentially a pro-KMT summary. It repeats a lot of the old KMT/CCP shibboleths about 5k years of Chinese history, Taiwan not really a country, Taiwanese only caring about economics and not politics, etc. It represents the thinking of a small percentage of people on Taiwan and overlooks the stronger local identity of about 80 percent of the population who really don't care about fighting the Chinese Civil War and could give two shits about the mainland.

Taiwanese American here and totally agree with PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taiwanese here.
It's pretty obvious she didn't have to quarantine like everybody else who enters Taiwan. Pulling on her white political privilege. This alone pisses me off.
As a rep of CA, I wonder how this will go down with the substantial Chinese population there.

To everybody who wants to talk about Taiwan independence - if Taiwan declares independence it has lost its claim on being the true China. I don't know if any of you can remember but Taiwan was considered Republic of China after the Japanese lost WWII. It was recognized as the true China until Nixon reversed course. Since then it has been in a strange limbo land. To divorce itself from being China with its 5K years of history would make it just another island with a bunch of Chinese expats like Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam.... former vassal states.

There is a LOT of cross straits relationships - marriages, businesses, tourism (China's a huge clientele base), entertainment. A fair number of Taiwanese have been decamping for China recently because of its sluggish economy and Mainland businesses willing to pay 3-4X more for the talent. One of my TSMC cousins is just this economic migrant to China. Another TSMC head honcho cousin works heavily with Japan. I also have an IL aunt who is from the Mainland. There are loads of Taiwanese businesses with factories in China (as well as 2nd/3rd wives with Mainland progeny there too - one of my mother's Taiwanese friends is in just this Chinese soap opera situation). Any rising entertainment star knows it is far more lucrative to be in China than Taiwan. Your average Taiwanese is focused on business and stability, not political ideology.
If the US hadn't been subsidizing Taiwan's defenses for so long and so heavily, they would have told Pelosi to get lost already. But the US has bought Taiwan's accommodation. Pelosi is the old moneybags aunt you don't really want around but you put up with for a short while.

The people who are hung up about the political stalemate are the KMT soldiers who lost to Mao and decamped to Taiwan. They have been and their children ones in the political arena today. Kind of like the Cubans in Miami who shake their fists about Castro. My father was a former KMT and I remember having to recite lessons about Sun Yat Sen and Chiang Kai Shek. The politicos in Taiwan will not give up its claim to being the true China anytime soon. If it does, it is tantamount to admitting defeat.

Thank you for the objective summary.
What do you mean by US “subsidizing Taiwan’s defense”?
My assumption was Taiwan is a full paying customer.

This is essentially a pro-KMT summary. It repeats a lot of the old KMT/CCP shibboleths about 5k years of Chinese history, Taiwan not really a country, Taiwanese only caring about economics and not politics, etc. It represents the thinking of a small percentage of people on Taiwan and overlooks the stronger local identity of about 80 percent of the population who really don't care about fighting the Chinese Civil War and could give two shits about the mainland.

Taiwanese American here and totally agree with PP.

PP again, the Taiwanese people we know could care less about being the true China - they want independence.