Privatizing DC roads?!: Chain Bridge Rd and University Terr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No little kids playing on CBR/UT. Ever!

Also no one ever driving 45mph down these streets, too many curves for that. Total bull. Someone made a deal w. Cheh to push through before her retirement.

Illegal and illegitimate privatization. Rise up, I mean drive on

+1, there are no children walking on UT, and no-one driving 45 mph ever.

I have told my OOB Key kids they'd be safer walking 4 blocks of our shooty gentrifying neighborhood to get a bus, than walking down UT with no sidewalks.
But the answer to that is sidewalks not a privatized street. FFS.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find Cheh’s letter to DDOT specifically citing “commuters from Maryland and Virginia” as a problem to be a great example of special interests at work

So condescending and just disgusting

Please “commuters” use these two streets as much as possible to give them something to complain

Well, then instead of 3 or so residential arterial roads headed to Chsin Bridge, they can pick one to mow down into a parkway, then make the other 2 cul de sacs and everyone can stop b-itching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

I disagree. These save me a ton of time in avoiding AZ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

It’s not. But now it will be

That's what I find so funny. All these neighborhood cut-throughs were only known by long timers. Google maps doesn't take people down any of them. But now we know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

It’s not. But now it will be

That's what I find so funny. All these neighborhood cut-throughs were only known by long timers. Google maps doesn't take people down any of them. But now we know.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

I disagree. These save me a ton of time in avoiding AZ.

Yep? That left from MacArthur to Arizona is often much faster than waiting on the back up on Arizona. Also, if you want to go into the Starbucks or the Wells Fargo for school bus pick up, it's easier to come from MacArthur. Chain Bridge was my cut through for years. Now that teen is driving themself to McLean, I may tell him to cut though on Chain Bridge from time to time, just for fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And same thing with the airplane noise. If you don't like it, DON'T BUY A HOUSE IN PALISADES WHERE THERE ARE DCA APPROACHES.

Until they get it changed to fly-over a less affluent neighborhood...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Matt Frumin, if you let this happen, you are out, guaranteed

“I live on University and walk dogs routinely. Cars with Virginia and Md plates routinely speed in the street, ignoring parked on both sides, pedestrians and the blind curve. They race through attempting to avoid the stop sign and are often on their phones, not looking who is in front of them. Speed cameras haven’t stopped them. We all complain and whenever a solution is proposed, people fight it. Nothing ever changes. Rain water continues to rush down the street and erode the concrete. I had to install a speed bump at my drive to direct chain bridge runoff from flooding my neighbor. Try going over a big bump every time you come into or leave your house. If you don’t live on the street and see the impact daily, not sure you can comment about your inconvenience. This is about safety. Speeding cars, no sidewalks, no action,


It’s like a big tobacco lobbyist strategy.. just keep the stays quo so no one does anything.”

He's mad about water? Does he think the runoff will obey the local traffic only signs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why aren't there sidewalks there?

The anti sidewalk people say that the cost of putting in sidewalks will be tremendous. DDOT agreed, the price is super high, but wanted to do it. CBR people demurred. You can see that lots of houses have built on the easement where a side walk would go...

I can see that argument for CBR which is a winding mess.

But University Terrace has lots more room and goes to an elementary school, for Pete's sake. What's the excuse there?

+1
There is no justification for choosing to close that street instead of putting sidewalks. There is room for sidewalks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Matt Frumin, if you let this happen, you are out, guaranteed

“I live on University and walk dogs routinely. Cars with Virginia and Md plates routinely speed in the street, ignoring parked on both sides, pedestrians and the blind curve. They race through attempting to avoid the stop sign and are often on their phones, not looking who is in front of them. Speed cameras haven’t stopped them. We all complain and whenever a solution is proposed, people fight it. Nothing ever changes. Rain water continues to rush down the street and erode the concrete. I had to install a speed bump at my drive to direct chain bridge runoff from flooding my neighbor. Try going over a big bump every time you come into or leave your house. If you don’t live on the street and see the impact daily, not sure you can comment about your inconvenience. This is about safety. Speeding cars, no sidewalks, no action,


It’s like a big tobacco lobbyist strategy.. just keep the stays quo so no one does anything.”

He's mad about water? Does he think the runoff will obey the local traffic only signs?

The answer to this complaint is traffic calming and sidewalks, not stopping people from going through. I live near a street that has a sign that prohibits traffic in one direction during rush hour in order to try to make it less of a cut through and the cars that I observe ignoring the sign are always the worst offenders when it comes to speeding and blowing stop signs. If you put a sign saying people can't drive through the people who ignore it are not going to stop speeding unless they physically can't

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Matt Frumin, if you let this happen, you are out, guaranteed

“I live on University and walk dogs routinely. Cars with Virginia and Md plates routinely speed in the street, ignoring parked on both sides, pedestrians and the blind curve. They race through attempting to avoid the stop sign and are often on their phones, not looking who is in front of them. Speed cameras haven’t stopped them. We all complain and whenever a solution is proposed, people fight it. Nothing ever changes. Rain water continues to rush down the street and erode the concrete. I had to install a speed bump at my drive to direct chain bridge runoff from flooding my neighbor. Try going over a big bump every time you come into or leave your house. If you don’t live on the street and see the impact daily, not sure you can comment about your inconvenience. This is about safety. Speeding cars, no sidewalks, no action,


It’s like a big tobacco lobbyist strategy.. just keep the stays quo so no one does anything.”

He's mad about water? Does he think the runoff will obey the local traffic only signs?

The answer to this complaint is traffic calming and sidewalks, not stopping people from going through. I live near a street that has a sign that prohibits traffic in one direction during rush hour in order to try to make it less of a cut through and the cars that I observe ignoring the sign are always the worst offenders when it comes to speeding and blowing stop signs. If you put a sign saying people can't drive through the people who ignore it are not going to stop speeding unless they physically can't

On CBR, I've found the only thing that gets people to slow down is opposing traffic. If they want people driving slower they should encourage more traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Matt Frumin, if you let this happen, you are out, guaranteed

“I live on University and walk dogs routinely. Cars with Virginia and Md plates routinely speed in the street, ignoring parked on both sides, pedestrians and the blind curve. They race through attempting to avoid the stop sign and are often on their phones, not looking who is in front of them. Speed cameras haven’t stopped them. We all complain and whenever a solution is proposed, people fight it. Nothing ever changes. Rain water continues to rush down the street and erode the concrete. I had to install a speed bump at my drive to direct chain bridge runoff from flooding my neighbor. Try going over a big bump every time you come into or leave your house. If you don’t live on the street and see the impact daily, not sure you can comment about your inconvenience. This is about safety. Speeding cars, no sidewalks, no action,


It’s like a big tobacco lobbyist strategy.. just keep the stays quo so no one does anything.”

He's mad about water? Does he think the runoff will obey the local traffic only signs?

The answer to this complaint is traffic calming and sidewalks, not stopping people from going through. I live near a street that has a sign that prohibits traffic in one direction during rush hour in order to try to make it less of a cut through and the cars that I observe ignoring the sign are always the worst offenders when it comes to speeding and blowing stop signs. If you put a sign saying people can't drive through the people who ignore it are not going to stop speeding unless they physically can't

There's not actually a speeding problem. The best solution is to install sidewalks and tell them to eff off with their bullcrap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And same thing with the airplane noise. If you don't like it, DON'T BUY A HOUSE IN PALISADES WHERE THERE ARE DCA APPROACHES.

Until they get it changed to fly-over a less affluent neighborhood...

They’re up against equally rich people in N Arlington and McLean who also have functional local governments on their side. Good luck moving the path, Palisades!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

I disagree. These save me a ton of time in avoiding AZ.

Yep? That left from MacArthur to Arizona is often much faster than waiting on the back up on Arizona. Also, if you want to go into the Starbucks or the Wells Fargo for school bus pick up, it's easier to come from MacArthur. Chain Bridge was my cut through for years. Now that teen is driving themself to McLean, I may tell him to cut though on Chain Bridge from time to time, just for fun.

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gross. Matt Frumin, if you let this happen, you are out, guaranteed

“I live on University and walk dogs routinely. Cars with Virginia and Md plates routinely speed in the street, ignoring parked on both sides, pedestrians and the blind curve. They race through attempting to avoid the stop sign and are often on their phones, not looking who is in front of them. Speed cameras haven’t stopped them. We all complain and whenever a solution is proposed, people fight it. Nothing ever changes. Rain water continues to rush down the street and erode the concrete. I had to install a speed bump at my drive to direct chain bridge runoff from flooding my neighbor. Try going over a big bump every time you come into or leave your house. If you don’t live on the street and see the impact daily, not sure you can comment about your inconvenience. This is about safety. Speeding cars, no sidewalks, no action,


It’s like a big tobacco lobbyist strategy.. just keep the stays quo so no one does anything.”

He's mad about water? Does he think the runoff will obey the local traffic only signs?

The answer to this complaint is traffic calming and sidewalks, not stopping people from going through. I live near a street that has a sign that prohibits traffic in one direction during rush hour in order to try to make it less of a cut through and the cars that I observe ignoring the sign are always the worst offenders when it comes to speeding and blowing stop signs. If you put a sign saying people can't drive through the people who ignore it are not going to stop speeding unless they physically can't

There's not actually a speeding problem. The best solution is to install sidewalks and tell them to eff off with their bullcrap.

Yes. And quit hissing