Privatizing DC roads?!: Chain Bridge Rd and University Terr

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arizona, Chain Bridge, University Terrace all appear to be arterial roadways on Google Maps. Why would anyone on either street think it isn't?

Old heads not realizing the world has changed

[Anonymous]

I find Cheh’s letter to DDOT specifically citing “commuters from Maryland and Virginia” as a problem to be a great example of special interests at work

So condescending and just disgusting

Please “commuters” use these two streets as much as possible to give them something to complain

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find Cheh’s letter to DDOT specifically citing “commuters from Maryland and Virginia” as a problem to be a great example of special interests at work

So condescending and just disgusting

Please “commuters” use these two streets as much as possible to give them something to complain

The thing is, the roads aren't convenient for commuters. UT is convenient for people going to Key School, that's about it. Chain Bridge doesn't save you anything, you still have to go through the shitshow at Arizona and MacArthur.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, but at this point it’s just fun to do it anyway. Over 2k people saw this thread

[Anonymous]

I live on the street. most residents just want speed bumps but ddot refuses to even consider them.


No Thru Traffic on Chain Bridge Road and University Terrace
From: Chuck Elkins
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 14:15:21 PDT
DDOT is proposing for comment to erect No Thur Traffic 24 hours a day on Chain Bridge Road and University Terrace. They initially said that the ANC had requested these signs, but after we informed that we definitely HAD NOT requested them, they have issued a revised notice of intent (NOI) that deletes that reference to the ANC but keeps the sign proposal the same.

I think DDOT's proposal is a non-starter, and I have heard from many others in the neighborhood who agree. We now need to prepare a response to the DDOT proposal, for a vote at the July 6th ANC meeting.

For those of you who have not been following the extensive discussion about safety on these two streets, DDOT has taken speed humps off the table and refused to move the (mis-placed) driver feedback devices that tell drivers they are driving too fast. I hope to convince them to re-open these questions.

However in the meantime, for the July 6th ANC resolution that I am drafting opposing these signs as proposed, I am thinking that, given DDOT's refusal to do the other alternative solutions, such as speed humps, and that safety issues remain unabated, that we consider asking them the following:

1) Instead erect signs identical to those on Manning Place that say: "Do not enter during rush hours, no thru traffic." (see photo) Residents who live within 2 blocks of such a sign are apparently allowed to enter; this would mean that affected residents on these two streets could enter.

2) These signs would would be evaluated over a 18-month period and at the end of that period, all alternatives would be back on the table for consideration, including taking down the signs.

3) DDOT would notify the companies that run the navigation applications (Wavz, etc.) of this legal change to what traffic is allowed, and hopefully they would program their applications accordingly.

If you have comments/suggestions, please enter them here or send an email using the contact form on our ANC3D.org website.

Finally, don't blame the messenger.

I (and the ANC3D Transportation Committee) have been working hard to get realistic alternatives to such signs considered by DDOT, but so far have failed.

[Anonymous]

A non-compromise compromise. DDOT won't agree to any of the reasonable suggestions, so we're going with a meaningless modification of what they want? Ok

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And more crap from the Palisades NIMBYs:

“It no thru traffic with local traffic only at issue. To answer your question see below.




Local access street – a street or portion of a street designated for access only to drivers of vehicles whose destination or origin is on or within two (2) blocks of such street or portion of the street.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-9901”

Can we please send a clear and resounding heck no!

While it is recognized in the code, there does not seem to be a penalty associated with a violation.

It would be failure to obey a traffic control.

Except that is not stated in the code and there is no penalty for it. You can review all of the civil penalties in Section 18-2600.
http://dcrules.elaws.us/dcmr/18-2600

It would seem to be a violation of Section 18-2217.1 on use of Local Access Streets. However, there is no penalty under Section 18-2600. For example, Section 18-2600 does provide for a $500 fine for driving down a barricaded or closed street (18-2217.2). There are also fines for other violations under Section 18-2217, including violating bus lanes.

The only general “failure to obey” type fine is associated with “ Failure or refusal to comply with Lawful order or direction of a Police Officer”, which does not seem to apply.

So there is no penalty.

How about "improper use of restricted lane or course"?

Doesn’t fit. A restricted lane is under 18-2220, which is about classes of vehicles. It has no relation to 18-2217.1, which is for local access streets.

[Anonymous]

Unenforceable and fun. Driving down CBR (UT is no longer pretty but leads to the CBR) is actually very nice and I recommend adding it to the commute and putting the roof down/opening it to enjoy the nature.

It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

[Anonymous]

Letting the car roll down the CBR in EV and taking the sharp turns, lots of fun too

BTW, can park for 3-4 hrs too

[Anonymous]

We can thank a particular UTian for sending a message after message which gave rise to 2200+ people, many of whom are in fact the dreaded commuters from MD and VA, see this thread and add these streets to their daily routes. Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

To be clear message after message to the neighbors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live on the street. most residents just want speed bumps but ddot refuses to even consider them.


No Thru Traffic on Chain Bridge Road and University Terrace
From: Chuck Elkins
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 14:15:21 PDT
DDOT is proposing for comment to erect No Thur Traffic 24 hours a day on Chain Bridge Road and University Terrace. They initially said that the ANC had requested these signs, but after we informed that we definitely HAD NOT requested them, they have issued a revised notice of intent (NOI) that deletes that reference to the ANC but keeps the sign proposal the same.

I think DDOT's proposal is a non-starter, and I have heard from many others in the neighborhood who agree. We now need to prepare a response to the DDOT proposal, for a vote at the July 6th ANC meeting.

For those of you who have not been following the extensive discussion about safety on these two streets, DDOT has taken speed humps off the table and refused to move the (mis-placed) driver feedback devices that tell drivers they are driving too fast. I hope to convince them to re-open these questions.

However in the meantime, for the July 6th ANC resolution that I am drafting opposing these signs as proposed, I am thinking that, given DDOT's refusal to do the other alternative solutions, such as speed humps, and that safety issues remain unabated, that we consider asking them the following:

1) Instead erect signs identical to those on Manning Place that say: "Do not enter during rush hours, no thru traffic." (see photo) Residents who live within 2 blocks of such a sign are apparently allowed to enter; this would mean that affected residents on these two streets could enter.

2) These signs would would be evaluated over a 18-month period and at the end of that period, all alternatives would be back on the table for consideration, including taking down the signs.

3) DDOT would notify the companies that run the navigation applications (Wavz, etc.) of this legal change to what traffic is allowed, and hopefully they would program their applications accordingly.

If you have comments/suggestions, please enter them here or send an email using the contact form on our ANC3D.org website.

Finally, don't blame the messenger.

I (and the ANC3D Transportation Committee) have been working hard to get realistic alternatives to such signs considered by DDOT, but so far have failed.

I didn’t see too many come to his defense. And ANC is supporting a no thru for an 18 months trial.
So… it’s like w the plane noise, neighbors just go quiet rather than stick their neck out for the right thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No little kids playing on CBR/UT. Ever!

Also no one ever driving 45mph down these streets, too many curves for that. Total bull. Someone made a deal w. Cheh to push through before her retirement.

Illegal and illegitimate privatization. Rise up, I mean drive on

+1, there are no children walking on UT, and no-one driving 45 mph ever.

I have told my OOB Key kids they'd be safer walking 4 blocks of our shooty gentrifying neighborhood to get a bus, than walking down UT with no sidewalks.
But the answer to that is sidewalks not a privatized street. FFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It also avoids AZ etc if you want to take the CBP

Uh, no. CBR just dumps you two blocks from AZ on MacArthur. You still have to get through the MacArthur-Arizona intersection. The intersection so bad that if you want to get to Chain Bridge, Google Maps tells you the best way is to go back the other way, cross Key Bridge, take the GW Parkway to Chain Bridge Road (VA) and take Chain Bridge Road back to the Chain Bridge. Because that way you don't have to go through that intersection.

The point is, the road isn't a cut-through. It doesn't take you anywhere useful outside of the neighborhood.

It’s not. But now it will be