4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Your kids take their cues from you. If you aren’t embarrassed, they won’t be. And if you are embarrassed, fake being okay. As a lapsed Catholic, I can assure you that all the shame has no good purpose.

And of course you can teach your kids about appropriate time, place and manner for discussing reproduction and sexuality— for example, only in the home— without teaching them all discussion is embarrassing and should be avoided.

Private and within the family =/= embarrassing and shameful— unless you make it so.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Your kids take their cues from you. If you aren’t embarrassed, they won’t be. And if you are embarrassed, fake being okay. As a lapsed Catholic, I can assure you that all the shame has no good purpose.

And of course you can teach your kids about appropriate time, place and manner for discussing reproduction and sexuality— for example, only in the home— without teaching them all discussion is embarrassing and should be avoided.

Private and within the family =/= embarrassing and shameful— unless you make it so.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

I'm not harming my children by teaching them about private things. We're good.

Ok. Then don’t betch about what FCPS does.

You've got it backwards. Right now, FLE is separated by sex. You are complaining that it shouldn't be. That embarrassment is wrong and backwards.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

I'm not harming my children by teaching them about private things. We're good.

Ok. Then don’t betch about what FCPS does.

You've got it backwards. Right now, FLE is separated by sex. You are complaining that it shouldn't be. That embarrassment is wrong and backwards.

It hadn’t always been divided. And they are switching back to mixed gender. The only people complaining right now are those with hangups. The rest of us think it’s fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

I'm not harming my children by teaching them about private things. We're good.

Ok. Then don’t betch about what FCPS does.

You've got it backwards. Right now, FLE is separated by sex. You are complaining that it shouldn't be. That embarrassment is wrong and backwards.

It hadn’t always been divided. And they are switching back to mixed gender. The only people complaining right now are those with hangups. The rest of us think it’s fine.

All the teachers are complaining and saying that it's inappropriate. Until you are able to fire all of them and hire new people who are acultural, maybe you should reconsider.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

Why? Because an anonymous rando says so? No, thank you.

Because you’re harming your kids. No good comes from having your kids being embarrassed over dumb stuff.

Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

I'm not harming my children by teaching them about private things. We're good.

Ok. Then don’t betch about what FCPS does.

You've got it backwards. Right now, FLE is separated by sex. You are complaining that it shouldn't be. That embarrassment is wrong and backwards.

It hadn’t always been divided. And they are switching back to mixed gender. The only people complaining right now are those with hangups. The rest of us think it’s fine.

All the teachers are complaining and saying that it's inappropriate. Until you are able to fire all of them and hire new people who are acultural, maybe you should reconsider.

One random person on DCUM claiming to be a teacher (which decade?) does not mean “all [of] the teachers”.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has no idea what FLE looks like, at least in grades 5 and 6.

Some examples:

illustraions of vaginas
explanations and discussions of wet dreams
explanations of what to expect when breasts grow

And the kids DO ask questions. Lots of them.

The lessons are painfully explicit and just plain embarrassing for us as teachers.

I can't think of anything more uncomfortable and downright humiliating than being in a mixed gender class of tweenagers for these lessons.

Talk about making girls and boys uncomfortable and embarrassed about their bodies. Sheesh.

Of course no one asked the teachers how they feel about doing this! I totally feel uncomfortable. If the county wants to do this, then dedicated health teachers should be doing this.

Not only didn't they ask us, but they also didn't even listen when we complained about female teachers having to teach this to the boys in their classes. It's awful. We were told we were overreacting and to just shut up or face consequences.

DW and I are both ES teachers and we don’t agree that it’s “awful”. Do your students sense that you feel this way when you are teaching FLE?

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has no idea what FLE looks like, at least in grades 5 and 6.

Some examples:

illustraions of vaginas
explanations and discussions of wet dreams
explanations of what to expect when breasts grow

And the kids DO ask questions. Lots of them.

The lessons are painfully explicit and just plain embarrassing for us as teachers.

I can't think of anything more uncomfortable and downright humiliating than being in a mixed gender class of tweenagers for these lessons.

Talk about making girls and boys uncomfortable and embarrassed about their bodies. Sheesh.

Of course no one asked the teachers how they feel about doing this! I totally feel uncomfortable. If the county wants to do this, then dedicated health teachers should be doing this.

Not only didn't they ask us, but they also didn't even listen when we complained about female teachers having to teach this to the boys in their classes. It's awful. We were told we were overreacting and to just shut up or face consequences.

DW and I are both ES teachers and we don’t agree that it’s “awful”. Do your students sense that you feel this way when you are teaching FLE?

Do you both teach 4-6? I have been teaching FLE for 10 years with 6th graders. I think teachers think it is developmentally inappropriate. Having taught both boys/girls separately I can absolutely see how this will not benefit children.

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

You really think that large number of parents will opt out of FLE just because of mixed gender classrooms? Are there really that many fvked up parents in FCPS?

I highly doubt that.

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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

You really think that large number of parents will opt out of FLE just because of mixed gender classrooms? Are there really that many fvked up parents in FCPS?

I highly doubt that.

Have you seen the school board meetings with parents griping about inappropriate books in the library?

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

You really think that large number of parents will opt out of FLE just because of mixed gender classrooms? Are there really that many fvked up parents in FCPS?

I highly doubt that.

A person judging another human on what is best for their child. What else is new?

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

+2
Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.

But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.

Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.

No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.

They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.

Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”

I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.

Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.

What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.

Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.

No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.

All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.

+1
I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

ES Teacher

Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.

This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.

Hell no.