Should FCPS Reassign New Affordable Housing from Marshall to Langley?

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

I watched an old work session on which they discussed how enrollment increased during the 2008 recession era.

A bad economy makes people, even well off ones, cut back. Maybe fewer in the Langley boundary than others will go FCPS to save money than some other areas but enrollment would absolutely increase.

That would be hell on McLean high school crowding.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

Marshall is under capacity and is not projected by FCPS to exceed capacity over the next 5 years.

Marshall was overcrowded. GCM reduced its enrollment by halting transfers from other schools for IB, which defeats the purpose of multiple academic programs and pupil placement regulations. If you look at other FCPS information, the planned and approved developments in the Marshall district could add another 661 students to the school in the coming years (for Langley, the comparable number is only 11 students).

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/planning-future/development-review-and-proffer-processes

This should be an easy and obvious response to the continued development in Tysons.

The FCPS utilization projections take into account planned development. So even accounting for all that development, Marshall is still projected to be below capacity 5 years out.

I couldn’t care less about the boundaries. I’m not a Langley parent. The “I care more about Marshall” argument fails in light of the data (unless your real concern is the same one that you are projecting to Langley … you don’t want more FARMS students at Marshall). From a capacity standpoint, there is no projected overcrowding issue at Marshall.

For IB, there are many other FCPS high schools that offer the program, so not sure why it’s really relevant that Marshall was closed to IB transfers. If you live out of boundary, that’s a risk you take.

Only Langley matters

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

What about ES and MS? At least from the MS perspective, Cooper was recently renovated and expanded, whereas Kilmer has the math department out in a modular. Seems pretty clear where new west Tysons growth should be zoned from a capacity standpoint.

Cooper will already be over capacity when it is done with the expansion. Cooper was over capacity for so long they had a modular there and the expansion will not be enough.

I don’t necessarily disagree that kids should be moved there, but you are acting like this is an easy decision and there aren’t other factors involved.

It's hard to believe Cooper can't be expanded to the size of other middle schools during its renovation, unless the expansion is intentionally capped to keep out the kids Langley doesn't want. Looking at the "big picture" would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Cooper parent here. My kid spends half his time in a trailer. I have gone on a tour and been on some zoom pta calls and when they go through the renovation, it doesn’t sound like a huge amount of expansion. I could be wrong. All I know is my kid spends a lot of time in trailers.

I believe Longfellow was expanded but McLean high has not been renovated and is severely overcrowded. I don’t think Cooper is being expanded as much as it can be.

Most schools have trailers when they are being renovated and expanded like Cooper.

The issue here is whether kids in the new developments in Tysons currently within the Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall boundary will be in temporary classrooms at Kilmer or Marshall or potentially push Cooper and/or Langley to near full capacity.

The trailers were there before the renovation.

I welcome new developments to be zoned or rezoned to Langley/Cooper. As much as people on DCUM think that Langley parents don’t want any multi family, that just isn’t true. Your kid will hang out with their group of friends and not care about others.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

Marshall is under capacity and is not projected by FCPS to exceed capacity over the next 5 years.

Marshall was overcrowded. GCM reduced its enrollment by halting transfers from other schools for IB, which defeats the purpose of multiple academic programs and pupil placement regulations. If you look at other FCPS information, the planned and approved developments in the Marshall district could add another 661 students to the school in the coming years (for Langley, the comparable number is only 11 students).

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/planning-future/development-review-and-proffer-processes

This should be an easy and obvious response to the continued development in Tysons.

The FCPS utilization projections take into account planned development. So even accounting for all that development, Marshall is still projected to be below capacity 5 years out.

I couldn’t care less about the boundaries. I’m not a Langley parent. The “I care more about Marshall” argument fails in light of the data (unless your real concern is the same one that you are projecting to Langley … you don’t want more FARMS students at Marshall). From a capacity standpoint, there is no projected overcrowding issue at Marshall.

For IB, there are many other FCPS high schools that offer the program, so not sure why it’s really relevant that Marshall was closed to IB transfers. If you live out of boundary, that’s a risk you take.

The FCPS enrollment projections only take into account new development when the developer has broken ground. They don’t include planned or even approved projects when the construction has not yet started. FCPS knows the current methodology is short-sighted and incomplete and will acknowledge this if you bother to ask.

So, no, the enrollment projections for Marshall do not take into account all of the planned developments within the school’s current boundaries. You are simply wrong.

As for Marshall closing to pupil placements, the fact is that it’s an IB school surrounded by AP schools, and many students at Langley, McLean, Madison, and Falls Church now have to travel considerably further for IB if Marshall is not an option. Conversely, there are no students at IB schools for whom Langley is the closest AP school in terms of distance. It’s true you always take a risk that a school may be closed to pupil placements, but that’s not a good argument against providing students with additional options when it’s feasible to do so.

You apparently just want to keep a certain demographic out of Langley, as a matter of principle (most likely because you see it as a harbinger of larger boundary changes). But in this case it just makes obvious sense from a logistical perspective to use the available capacity there, when the future potential increase in students in the Langley district is nowhere near the potential influx of students to Marshall.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

What about ES and MS? At least from the MS perspective, Cooper was recently renovated and expanded, whereas Kilmer has the math department out in a modular. Seems pretty clear where new west Tysons growth should be zoned from a capacity standpoint.

Cooper will already be over capacity when it is done with the expansion. Cooper was over capacity for so long they had a modular there and the expansion will not be enough.

I don’t necessarily disagree that kids should be moved there, but you are acting like this is an easy decision and there aren’t other factors involved.

It's hard to believe Cooper can't be expanded to the size of other middle schools during its renovation, unless the expansion is intentionally capped to keep out the kids Langley doesn't want. Looking at the "big picture" would be to make sure that doesn't happen.

Cooper parent here. My kid spends half his time in a trailer. I have gone on a tour and been on some zoom pta calls and when they go through the renovation, it doesn’t sound like a huge amount of expansion. I could be wrong. All I know is my kid spends a lot of time in trailers.

I believe Longfellow was expanded but McLean high has not been renovated and is severely overcrowded. I don’t think Cooper is being expanded as much as it can be.

Most schools have trailers when they are being renovated and expanded like Cooper.

The issue here is whether kids in the new developments in Tysons currently within the Westbriar/Kilmer/Marshall boundary will be in temporary classrooms at Kilmer or Marshall or potentially push Cooper and/or Langley to near full capacity.

The trailers were there before the renovation.

I welcome new developments to be zoned or rezoned to Langley/Cooper. As much as people on DCUM think that Langley parents don’t want any multi family, that just isn’t true. Your kid will hang out with their group of friends and not care about others.

Yikes. You make it sound like your kid’s “group of friends” would never include kids from multi-family housing (the “others”) in any event. Please tell us that wasn’t your intent.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

DP. There’s your strawman again. No one is objecting to any kids being assigned to Langley. The only thing Langley objected to was sending kids TO Herndon. But you sure are a dog with a bone, aren’t you? Take your obsession up with the SB instead of constantly bashing families who have nothing to do with who the SB assigns to Langley.

There are Langley posters on this thread doing just that. Try to keep up.

No one on this thread has done that. Just your fevered imagination working overtime.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

Marshall is under capacity and is not projected by FCPS to exceed capacity over the next 5 years.

Marshall was overcrowded. GCM reduced its enrollment by halting transfers from other schools for IB, which defeats the purpose of multiple academic programs and pupil placement regulations. If you look at other FCPS information, the planned and approved developments in the Marshall district could add another 661 students to the school in the coming years (for Langley, the comparable number is only 11 students).

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/planning-future/development-review-and-proffer-processes

This should be an easy and obvious response to the continued development in Tysons.

The FCPS utilization projections take into account planned development. So even accounting for all that development, Marshall is still projected to be below capacity 5 years out.

I couldn’t care less about the boundaries. I’m not a Langley parent. The “I care more about Marshall” argument fails in light of the data (unless your real concern is the same one that you are projecting to Langley … you don’t want more FARMS students at Marshall). From a capacity standpoint, there is no projected overcrowding issue at Marshall.

For IB, there are many other FCPS high schools that offer the program, so not sure why it’s really relevant that Marshall was closed to IB transfers. If you live out of boundary, that’s a risk you take.

Only Langley matters to people whose kids don't even go to Langley.

FIFY.

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FCPS doesn’t seem to care much about crowding.

Math shall *may* get overcrowded and Langley has capacity. McLean IS overcrowded, is practically a stones throw away and it took a threat of losing to Republicans for them to even begin to address it.

If they want to fix a crowding issue for children currently experiencing it, they can do that. What does the CIP compared to the last one show in terms of capacity (and are their numbers correct or do we need to find that McLean mom who investigated the issue?

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

Cooper and Langley were built on their respective sites decades ago. They are on the border of the county with limited 2 lane access roads-Balls Hill and Georgetown Pike. Cooper is at the local road access to the Beltway's American Legion Bridge. Both on the Potomac River.

When Kilmer was renovated in the early 2000's the students from Great Falls Elementary and Forestville ES plus some Oakton schools were sent to Kilmer for AAP. The alternative was Carson. Numerous parents of base school Great Falls Elementary middle school AAP students requested Hughes be an option.
Years later they were sent back to Cooper, the base school, because frankly it was the school of last resort as the Kilmer student count exceeded capacity.

Those students attended Forest Edge in Reston and Great Falls had the highest percentage of AAP students choosing to attend Forest Edge. Title 1 school. The lowest % of those given the AAP option of attending actually attending the center was Aldrin. Actual statistics from FCPS.

The Board of Supervisors eventually installed a traffic light at the intersection of Gallows Road and Wolftrap Road. Prior to that light , the increased numbers of students-bus-car traffic was a major problem on Gallows Road. There are no such options to improve traffic flow for Cooper and Langley.

Do people in Great Falls get what they want? Not by a long shot. Newer residents might not be aware of what many expected to happen. New secondary school in North Reston.

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Anonymous wrote:All the new housing getting built in Tysons currently feeds into Marshall and McLean.

Marshall's enrollment is up 38 kids since the school year began. McLean is up 27 kids. Langley's enrollment hasn't increased at all from September 2021 to April 2022.

If they don't reassign this new housing project off Spring Hill Road to under-enrolled Langley, Jason Miyares should open an investigation into the School Board's neglect of duty.

If nothing happened when millions were spent expanded West Potomac even though Mt. Vernon had space, I doubt the Langley boundary will warrant much attention.

Besides, 46 has promise us food shortages and inflation shows no sign of stopping. I’ll bet that the percentage of Langley-boundaried children that goes to private school decreases next year and the year after. A bad economy is great for public school enrollment.

I doubt the private school enrollment decreases, but I doubt the school board will be too interested in dealing with anymore boundary adjustments in that area for a while. Your example of west Potomac was spot on.

You could argue it’s an opportunity for the SB members to try and redeem themselves. Of course, it may be too late for some, given how little support they have left.

Picking boundary fights may "redeem" SB members in the eyes of a select few, but politically-speaking its the easiest way to lose an election. The fact of the matter is that most people could not care less about boundaries until and unless it directly impacts them. Boundary fights will almost always lose you more votes than they gain.

That might be the case if you're talking about reassigning kids from an existing development to a new, lower-ranked school.

There is little downside from reassigning some apartments from Marshall to Langley, especially when most of the apartments will be new construction where kids never attended Marshall. On the other hand, it might indicate that the School Board isn't completely full of crap when it talks about equity all the time but leaves Langley renovated, under capacity, and without any lower or moderate-income housing. That might stem some of the losses they are looking at next year. There are already going to be quite a few voters who usually vote Democratic breaking ranks next year for reasons unrelated to boundaries.

You are not thinking about the big picture. You for some reason just care about Langley. What about elementary and middle schools?

I care more about Marshall than Langley. Langley is the only HS school in the area with space and an adjacent boundary.

As for the ES/MS, Cooper has fewer kids and is less crowded than Kilmer. The ES might be a bit trickier. If the area was moved from Westbriar (Marshall pyramid) to Spring Hill (Langley pyramid) some other Spring Hill areas might need to be reassigned to Westgate (split feeder to Marshall/McLean).

Quite honestly, it's disgusting how some Langley folks constantly look for reasons to raise objections when they have a renovated, under-enrolled school and other schools are near or over capacity. But moving these developments could also allow Langley families who would like IB for their kids to send them to Marshall again.

Cooper and Langley were built on their respective sites decades ago. They are on the border of the county with limited 2 lane access roads-Balls Hill and Georgetown Pike. Cooper is at the local road access to the Beltway's American Legion Bridge. Both on the Potomac River.

When Kilmer was renovated in the early 2000's the students from Great Falls Elementary and Forestville ES plus some Oakton schools were sent to Kilmer for AAP. The alternative was Carson. Numerous parents of base school Great Falls Elementary middle school AAP students requested Hughes be an option.
Years later they were sent back to Cooper, the base school, because frankly it was the school of last resort as the Kilmer student count exceeded capacity.

Those students attended Forest Edge in Reston and Great Falls had the highest percentage of AAP students choosing to attend Forest Edge. Title 1 school. The lowest % of those given the AAP option of attending actually attending the center was Aldrin. Actual statistics from FCPS.

The Board of Supervisors eventually installed a traffic light at the intersection of Gallows Road and Wolftrap Road. Prior to that light , the increased numbers of students-bus-car traffic was a major problem on Gallows Road. There are no such options to improve traffic flow for Cooper and Langley.

Do people in Great Falls get what they want? Not by a long shot. Newer residents might not be aware of what many expected to happen. New secondary school in North Reston.

Give me a break. FCPS expanded Langley to nearly 2400 seats a few years ago, it is expanding Cooper now, and the most capacity to accommodate the kids in the new Tysons projects off Spring Hill Road exists in the Langley pyramid.

Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

The thread shouldn't be about reassigning kids out of Langley to Herndon. It's about which pyramid has the most capacity to accommodate further growth in Tysons, in particular the brand-new affordable housing off Spring Hill Road.

However, to the extent that some posters manufacture specious arguments about why Cooper and Langley - which have more capacity than other ES/MS in the area - shouldn't be the obvious schools for these students to attend, it's fair to ask what their motivations are.

And the time to start thinking about these issues is NOW, not after students from these new developments are already attending Kilmer and Marshall. If we wait until after these students are already attending Kilmer and Marshall, we'll be met with arguments that it's not fair to separate them from other Kilmer and Marshall students living in apartments on the other side of Route 7, etc.

By way of reference, when the Spring Gate apartments were being planned in the early 00s, Marshall was substantially below capacity, McLean was near capacity, and FCPS made an administrative boundary change to reassign the part of Tysons where the Spring Gate apartments were located from McLean to Marshall. The decision was not delayed on the grounds that it would be a "political landmine." Had that decision not been made, McLean would be even more overcrowded today, so it can be defended in hindsight, but it's also perhaps not a coincidence that the School Board was quick to act when they could move kids in apartments to Marshall and slow to act when it comes to making use of the excess capacity at Langley by moving some apartments there.

So while you claim not to care about the boundaries or demographics of any particular HS, your post suggests otherwise. You're advocating for the same inertia and favoritism that has resulted in capacity imbalances and widening disparities among FCPS schools for over a decade.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote: Great Falls wants to keep Langley below capacity indefinitely for reasons that are obvious, but at some point the adults need to say enough is enough.

For reference, approximately 50% of Langley's current student body feeds from Great Falls (GFES, Forestville, and the Great Falls part of Colvin Run). Regardless of what anyone wants, FCPS isn't magically reassigning Great Falls away from Langley. You would need to find ~1,000 HS kids to fill that gap.

As much as you might want it to be otherwise, FCPS also isn't moving Forestville (the ES farthest from Langley) out of Langley anytime soon. That would only be done in connection with a wholesale boundary change and I assure you there is no appetite for that (on the school board, across the general population, or otherwise). Maybe when the mythical Western High School is built. But that is many years out.

With regard to the Tyson's development that's the genesis of this discussion, it seems premature when construction isn't even slated to begin until sometime in 2023 (which means it won't open until at least 2024). Why on earth would the school board take on a potentially complicated boundary issue that is not even ripe? That would be a political landmine. It makes no sense.

(And, because I know that the most common response to posts here is the personal attack: I have no horse in this race and personally could not care less about the demographics of any HS student body.)

Your timeline is only 2 years out... but sure, they should just punt a decision because they can and wait until people have actually started moving in and the issue becomes more contentious... THEN make a decision for which very little additional salient information has arrived. Seems to be the School Board's MO.

There is literally no political benefit for them to take on a potentially contentious issue now. Plenty can happen in two years. The issue does not affect anyone at any FCPS school today. That is likely why it's only being discussed on an anonymous message.