Va. committee passes bill banning admissions discrimination

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

Hopefully he has better reading comprehension than his mom.

PP didn’t say anything about denying them TJ or creating barriers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I mean, historically when you have those profoundly different situations, school districts will find ways to accommodate them. He'll probably be bussed to the neighborhood high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I mean, historically when you have those profoundly different situations, school districts will find ways to accommodate them. He'll probably be bussed to the neighborhood high school.

Or they shrug. Schools should have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I mean, historically when you have those profoundly different situations, school districts will find ways to accommodate them. He'll probably be bussed to the neighborhood high school.

Or they shrug. Schools should have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I mean, historically when you have those profoundly different situations, school districts will find ways to accommodate them. He'll probably be bussed to the neighborhood high school.

Or they shrug. Schools should NOT have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

At some point, public schools can only accommodate kids within so many std devs of the mean. A kid who is FIVE grade levels ahead might have to look outside of school for supplementation.

[Anonymous]

In the context of over acceleration and whether kids should be "given credit" for advanced math when applying to TJ, wouldn't it make more sense to clamp down on the watered down grades being given for high school courses than it does to make it harder for legitimately gifted kids to access appropriately advanced classes?

A kid who has straight As in Honors Algebra I, Honors Geometry, and Honors Algebra II ought to be perfectly ready for Honors Pre Calc. If TJ is finding that many accelerated kids have been over accelerated, they should be leaning on the middle schools to tighten their grading standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Or they shrug. Schools should NOT have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

At some point, public schools can only accommodate kids within so many std devs of the mean. A kid who is FIVE grade levels ahead might have to look outside of school for supplementation.

You're assuming that the parents are the ones pushing the kids ahead. In many cases, FCPS is pushing the kids ahead. FCPS selects the kids who take Algebra in 6th or earlier. Parents are not the ones who initiate the process.

FCPS already has the programming to accommodate kids who are 5+ grade levels ahead in math. It's called TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Or they shrug. Schools should NOT have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

At some point, public schools can only accommodate kids within so many std devs of the mean. A kid who is FIVE grade levels ahead might have to look outside of school for supplementation.

You're assuming that the parents are the ones pushing the kids ahead. In many cases, FCPS is pushing the kids ahead. FCPS selects the kids who take Algebra in 6th or earlier. Parents are not the ones who initiate the process.

FCPS already has the programming to accommodate kids who are 5+ grade levels ahead in math. It's called TJ.

FCPS did not put a 6th grader into Algebra II.

[Anonymous]

You don't need to remove prior quotes (erroneously) anymore. Jeff collapsed them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I'm sorry that you pushed your kid faster than school could accommodate and now want to school to bend to your kid.

Or... I'm sorry that you got your feelings hurt about your kids not being as good at math and now want the school to bend to your kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Now THAT would be a good idea. TJ kids have proven for over a decade now that artificially advancing students in math can have catastrophic results. There are very few who are genuinely prepared for Pre-Calc or above at the start of 9th grade - but too many parents want their student to look like those students, so the go to whatever expense is necessary to push their child too far. This is the best argument in favor of limiting the impact of math advancement in the TJ admissions process - children should be advanced according to their ability, not their parents' aspirations.

That is an excellent idea.

So, what is your plan for those very few highly gifted kids who are genuinely prepared for pre-calc or higher at the start of 9th? It sounds like you want to take advanced classes away from them, force them to wallow in classes in which they'll learn absolutely nothing, and then deny them TJ since they are getting no credit for being math geniuses.

My kid has a 104% average in Algebra II as a 6th grader. He also qualified for AIME in 6th. He's hoping that pre-calc might be his first opportunity to learn something in a school math class and not be bored out of his mind. The only thing I've done is enroll him in 1 AoPS class per year. Kids like this exist. Stop trying to put barriers in their way or hold them back.

I mean, historically when you have those profoundly different situations, school districts will find ways to accommodate them. He'll probably be bussed to the neighborhood high school.

Or they shrug. Schools should have to tailor programing towards kids whose parents push them ahead.

They sure did, they created TJ.

[Anonymous]

I am so excited they passed a law that makes illegal behavior still illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the context of over acceleration and whether kids should be "given credit" for advanced math when applying to TJ, wouldn't it make more sense to clamp down on the watered down grades being given for high school courses than it does to make it harder for legitimately gifted kids to access appropriately advanced classes?

A kid who has straight As in Honors Algebra I, Honors Geometry, and Honors Algebra II ought to be perfectly ready for Honors Pre Calc. If TJ is finding that many accelerated kids have been over accelerated, they should be leaning on the middle schools to tighten their grading standards.

And how would TJ do that, exactly? They have no jurisdiction over any middle school.

The best way to prevent destructive hyper-acceleration is to disincentivize it - that is to say, not to punish families for doing it (they get punished already by the student's struggles) but to remove any advantage given for it.

And we must remember - in many cases, that child who has straight As in AlgII in 8th grade is taking an additional expensive and time-intensive tutoring session or course to artificially maintain that grade and would continue to do so at TJ (we already know this happens).

[Anonymous]

Full senate passed the bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Full senate passed the bill.

Sad that the actions of the current school board had to prompt such action stating a school cannot discriminate based on race in 2022.