DC drops indoor mask and vaccine mandates tomorrow

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DP. The unvaccinated pose a very meaningful risk to society as a whole. But it is fashionable now to forget that anyone has any civic duty to society as a whole.

The unvaccinated are the ones who fill up hospital beds, end up seriously ill, or die. I guess you'd say, well, that's on them; their serious illnesses, hospital stays and deaths (or long Covid) don't hurt me as a vaccinated person so why do I care? I care because the unvaccinated still put many people at risk: Children who can't be vaccinated yet, people of all ages who can't be vaccinated, people who are vaccinated but for whom even a "mild" case of Covid could end up being devastating. But there's zero concern at this point for those vulnerable people and an attitude of "Let them stay home forever, then, so the rest of us can Go On Living!" Nope, those people are not part of society, apparently.

At the end of the day, it seems like this comes down to some desire to punish people for making a "bad" decision. So, it's not about public health policy, but rather its some sort of moral judgment.

And, again, the vaccines (unfortunately) don't end transmission. So, the at-risk people will remain at-risk even if everyone else is vaccinated. These mandates are futile.

We need to accept, as a society, that some percentage of Americans won't get vaccinated no matter what we do, and plan for the future accordingly. Part of that will be accepting that people will keep dying from covid forever.

I think many of us do want to punish those refusing to act in the best interest of society. To act so smug and cavalier without fearing consequences is not right.
It’s also about equity. If my family must comply with vaccinations, boosters, masking, inconvenience, and constant fear, well guess what. So does yours. To give that type a pass will only lead to more distrust and dangerous individualism.

So many atrocities have been committed using exactly this presumptuous, tortuous reasoning. You even included the "that type" Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

If anything, DC should get rid of the mask mandates and ramp up the vaccine mandates. I just experienced this in Switzerland and their vax passport system works really, really well for increasing vaccination rates.

If you know anything about Switzerland, they are probably more anti-centralized government than the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy moly people, you’d sacrifice children who are too young to be vaxxed and vulnerable populations just so you don’t have to disrupt your life by getting vaccinated? Haven’t our kids suffered enough?

Who is "sacrificing anyone?" Nobody is being sacrificed.

I'm vaccinated and boosted, and I know vaccination must be the choice of the individual. I am not concerned the unvaccinated will sacrifice either my parents or my kids or nieces and nephews. Because people aren't being sacrificed. That isn't happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If anything, DC should get rid of the mask mandates and ramp up the vaccine mandates. I just experienced this in Switzerland and their vax passport system works really, really well for increasing vaccination rates.

If you know anything about Switzerland, they are probably more anti-centralized government than the US.

This is false. I’m Swiss, grew up there, while family lives there, visit twice a year. The vaxx passport has been highly controversial, causing massive demonstrations and general discontent. The Bundesrat (Executive) is expected to revoke the passports this Wednesday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Holy moly people, you’d sacrifice children who are too young to be vaxxed and vulnerable populations just so you don’t have to disrupt your life by getting vaccinated? Haven’t our kids suffered enough?

Yes, yes they would. This has been their consistent messaging since March 2020.

Remaining unvaccinated has become a political litmus test and a part of identity politics.

That is certainly not the case with the unvaccinated population of DC. Get out of your bubble.

[Anonymous]

The funny thing about everyone saying we need vaxx mandates and to make unvaxxed people's lives terrible are the same ones enabling drug addicts in SF and DC by making it easier for them to live in the throes of addiction. For them they don't want any kind of forced rehabs or policies with sticks despite the societal costs. Only when it comes to team blue virtue signaling are they for mandates and societal pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

Me too. Mandates are coercive and abhorrent to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

Me too. Mandates are coercive and abhorrent to me.

+1, it's segregation plain and simple. It's funny that you have to be vaccinated to eat at McDonalds in the name of "health."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

Me too. Mandates are coercive and abhorrent to me.

Thank you to you both. You are good people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This feels so unfair. So unvaccinated adults can swan around unmasked in restaurants and bars, but my fully vaxxed kids have to continue wearing their masks for 8 hours a day in school. Drop the school mask mandate before dropping the vax mandate.

Schools will be next. Time to turn up the heat.

I am interested in pushing the Mayor on this, but how? I’m so sick of this bio safety theater.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This feels so unfair. So unvaccinated adults can swan around unmasked in restaurants and bars, but my fully vaxxed kids have to continue wearing their masks for 8 hours a day in school. Drop the school mask mandate before dropping the vax mandate.

Schools will be next. Time to turn up the heat.

I am interested in pushing the Mayor on this, but how? I’m so sick of this bio safety theater.

Well, you might try starting a bunch of troll posts on DCUM and then responding to yourself repeatedly to make it look like more people agree with you than actually do. That might show her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If anything, DC should get rid of the mask mandates and ramp up the vaccine mandates. I just experienced this in Switzerland and their vax passport system works really, really well for increasing vaccination rates.

If you know anything about Switzerland, they are probably more anti-centralized government than the US.

This is false. I’m Swiss, grew up there, while family lives there, visit twice a year. The vaxx passport has been highly controversial, causing massive demonstrations and general discontent. The Bundesrat (Executive) is expected to revoke the passports this Wednesday.

All the European vaccine passports have been controversial, with criticism from the right and the left. Americans tend to romanticize Europe on these issues. I do think Europe as a whole has struck a better balance around Covid than we have, but that is largely owing to healthcare infrastructure that I think has enabled them to keep the pandemic from being political along right/left lines. But mandates are controversial everywhere. If anything, Europeans are more sensitive to what feels like coercive government action than Americans, having experienced relatively recent examples of government overreach with terrible results.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This feels so unfair. So unvaccinated adults can swan around unmasked in restaurants and bars, but my fully vaxxed kids have to continue wearing their masks for 8 hours a day in school. Drop the school mask mandate before dropping the vax mandate.

Schools will be next. Time to turn up the heat.

I am interested in pushing the Mayor on this, but how? I’m so sick of this bio safety theater.

Well, you might try starting a bunch of troll posts on DCUM and then responding to yourself repeatedly to make it look like more people agree with you than actually do. That might show her.

Check with Jeff if you think people are sockpuppeting. I think you are just bummed DCUM isn't the usual echo chamber. Your neighbors might not think exactly the same as you do, and that is actually a good thing. Reasonable people can disagree.

[Anonymous]

Fine if the numbers stay low.

But if the numbers shoot back up and safety measures aren't put back in place, all of you rabid anti-maskers can go straight to hell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they doing this? The vax mandate was great

It destroys small businesses, especially restaurants.

Why, though? Most of DC is vaccinated, and this should encourage those who aren't to get vaccinated.

No. It encourages people (including those who are vaccinated) to not patronize businesses.

I'm vaccinated, and very much against mandates. I won't eat in a restaurant that requires a vaccine. That's absurd--three years ago no restaurant was asking to see proof of a measles shot before they'd let me eat.

Me too. Mandates are coercive and abhorrent to me.

+1, it's segregation plain and simple. It's funny that you have to be vaccinated to eat at McDonalds in the name of "health."

It’s not segregation in any way. If people don’t want to be limited in whatever way the mandates limit them, they have a very easy solution: get the free, safe, effective vaccine. Was there a similar option available to the people being discriminated against under actual segregation?