I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at what Texas accepts for ID.


https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/need-id.html

So you can use a handgun license, but you can’t use a student ID, and honestly most of the other supporting documents aren’t likely to be something a college student has, either. The GOP’s whole raison d’etre is to keep the wrong people from voting.

[Anonymous]

So you can use a handgun license, but you can’t use a student ID, and honestly most of the other supporting documents aren’t likely to be something a college student has, either. The GOP’s whole raison d’etre is to keep the wrong people from voting.

Go look at what the supporting documents are for a gun license and a student ID. Big difference. If a college student is paying out of state tuition, they should be voting in the home state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Can you give specific examples of the bolded? I tried looking and the one example I found was Michigan, but it’s a provision that was previously in place.

The bolded is not true. At least at the moment. There have been no such changes.

Dems need legislation like Republicans need border walls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Following. For example, democrats are stating that Texas is trying to suppress voting because they are restricting drive through 24/7 voting. Um, what? I live in deep blue Maryland and we don’t have 24/7 drive through voting, but democrats are demanding that Texas do it?
And the whole ID thing. You need ID everywhere. FFS you need ID and Vax card to enter a restaurant in DC now!

To flip the question on its head, why do you feel drive through 24/7 voting should be outlawed? I can't think of one. In many parts of the country there was report after report of people stuck waiting for hours to vote. And, a lot of people have difficult work schedules that aren't compatible with typical polling station hours. Texas cities are also notorious for long commute times due to sprawl development. The more flexibility people have to be allowed to cast their vote, the better. How is it good for Democracy to have policies that make it too hard for people to vote?

With regard to ID, actual proven cases of in-person voter fraud are extremely rare and where people have attempted, they have typically been caught or turned away. So you're trying to "solve" a problem that doesn't meaningfully exist. I thought Republicans were against unnecessary laws and regulations. Also, even if you do require ID, why be overly restrictive? Why refuse student IDs? Believe it or not, a lot of urban teens don't drive. Republicans want to restrict it to driver's license or similar state-issued ID but a lot of Americans don't have such an ID. *IF* that's the requirement, then it's a problem. Most DMVs are a mess. It's hell to get an appointment, appointments may be weeks or months out, when you do finally get an appointment, you're typically going to be waiting in line for a couple of hours to have your documents checked, get your photo taken, etc. If you work, it typically means taking a day off work to get it. And, those IDs typically cost money. That's illegal if it's a requirement for voting. If it costs you, in terms of fees to get the ID or loss of income, that would in effect constitute a poll tax, which is illegal. IF they can make getting an acceptable ID FREE and FAST then I'd have no problem with it. You have to fix those DMVs first before demanding those IDs.

Not buying this at all. People get to vote in the manner their elected representatives authorize. At a drive through, polling place, circus, whatever. Obligation of the people is to vote. On IDs there is a point. In a number of both white and black poor communities there are people who live outside of the financial system and do not have IDs. Let's fix that. Free state IDs. Those areas can be focused on. The answer is not to stop looking at IDs; it is to get free IDs to those people.

[Anonymous]

Not buying this at all. People get to vote in the manner their elected representatives authorize. At a drive through, polling place, circus, whatever. Obligation of the people is to vote. On IDs there is a point. In a number of both white and black poor communities there are people who live outside of the financial system and do not have IDs. Let's fix that. Free state IDs. Those areas can be focused on. The answer is not to stop looking at IDs; it is to get free IDs to those people.

this is reasonable and available in most states that require voter ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Can you give specific examples of the bolded? I tried looking and the one example I found was Michigan, but it’s a provision that was previously in place.

The bolded is not true. At least at the moment. There have been no such changes.

Wrong. There are links earlier in the thread supporting this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So you can use a handgun license, but you can’t use a student ID, and honestly most of the other supporting documents aren’t likely to be something a college student has, either. The GOP’s whole raison d’etre is to keep the wrong people from voting.

Go look at what the supporting documents are for a gun license and a student ID. Big difference. If a college student is paying out of state tuition, they should be voting in the home state.

What self-respecting Texan kid does not have a gun license?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Can you give specific examples of the bolded? I tried looking and the one example I found was Michigan, but it’s a provision that was previously in place.

The bolded is not true. At least at the moment. There have been no such changes.

Wrong. There are links earlier in the thread supporting this.

What states?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans have closed tens of thousands of polling locations across the country, primarily in Democrat voting counties and cities. You wouldn't need drive-thru voting or mail-in voting if Republicans didn't shut down the physical polls.

Similarly, multiple states have now passed legislation that allows the state legislature to overturn any election results they don't like, including the state's Presidential results. Why are political elites overriding the voters?

This is a Republican-generated crisis.

Can you give specific examples of the bolded? I tried looking and the one example I found was Michigan, but it’s a provision that was previously in place.

The bolded is not true. At least at the moment. There have been no such changes.

Wrong. There are links earlier in the thread supporting this.

What states?

Read the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So you can use a handgun license, but you can’t use a student ID, and honestly most of the other supporting documents aren’t likely to be something a college student has, either. The GOP’s whole raison d’etre is to keep the wrong people from voting.

Go look at what the supporting documents are for a gun license and a student ID. Big difference. If a college student is paying out of state tuition, they should be voting in the home state.

That’s not the law anywhere. Americans can vote where they live, even if it’s not their permanent residence. Students have the same rights as military and their families, and others who reside somewhere temporarily. Students are very much affected by state and local government actions and policies around their campuses and college towns and are eligible to register and vote there. College students count in the Census for state and local formulas for federal grants, for Congressional reapportionment, and other benefits and advantages.

[Anonymous]

Handy guide here for OP and all you other people who keep asking the same questions that have already been answered.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-big-lie-voting-laws/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

Simple, national standards. We wouldn't have things like in 2020 where mail ballots could be counted in Florida night of but not in PA, which led to Red Mirage and helped push the Big Lie.

[Anonymous]

That’s not the law anywhere. Americans can vote where they live, even if it’s not their permanent residence. Students have the same rights as military and their families, and others who reside somewhere temporarily. Students are very much affected by state and local government actions and policies around their campuses and college towns and are eligible to register and vote there. College students count in the Census for state and local formulas for federal grants, for Congressional reapportionment, and other benefits and advantages.

Nevertheless, the documentation for student ID cards is not that tough. For example, non-citizens can have student IDs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That’s not the law anywhere. Americans can vote where they live, even if it’s not their permanent residence. Students have the same rights as military and their families, and others who reside somewhere temporarily. Students are very much affected by state and local government actions and policies around their campuses and college towns and are eligible to register and vote there. College students count in the Census for state and local formulas for federal grants, for Congressional reapportionment, and other benefits and advantages.

Nevertheless, the documentation for student ID cards is not that tough. For example, non-citizens can have student IDs.

Do gun license holders need to be US citizens? Genuine question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That’s not the law anywhere. Americans can vote where they live, even if it’s not their permanent residence. Students have the same rights as military and their families, and others who reside somewhere temporarily. Students are very much affected by state and local government actions and policies around their campuses and college towns and are eligible to register and vote there. College students count in the Census for state and local formulas for federal grants, for Congressional reapportionment, and other benefits and advantages.

Nevertheless, the documentation for student ID cards is not that tough. For example, non-citizens can have student IDs.

Non citizens can’t register to vote, so they wouldn’t be on the rolls.